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Old 20-04-2013, 09:50   #166
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... There are endless examples of boats that were abandoned, crew were lost during the process, and then the boat turns up later afloat. So no matter how terrible it is onboard, or how battered the crew is, pushing the red button may actually be putting you in greater danger.
When I am king, folks who cannot take care of themselves physically or psychologically can't go offshore. Consider the folks who can't climb up the cargo net off the side of the rescuing freighter. They have no business at sea. The plane from wherever to Tahiti is faster and probably cheaper.

Take a cruise ship if ya gotta go by water. Or if you insist on taking a chance, take it. No buttons please.

And would some of us stop telling us judgemental types that we weren't there. Well, no sheet. I think it's reasonably obvious we weren't there.
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Old 20-04-2013, 10:10   #167
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Re: Abandon Ship! The Rescue of the Crew of Wolfhound

Its funny how some of us like to tell some of us how some of us should determine what some of us should have a right to do.

Good thing that when some of us are at sea the rest of us aren't there.
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Old 20-04-2013, 10:16   #168
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Its funny how some of us like to tell some of us how some of us should determine what some of us should have a right to do.

Good thing that when some of us are at sea the rest of us aren't there.

I can think of all sorts of scenarios that could keep someone from climbing up a net. I have CP but can move around my boat quite safely. Climb up the side of a net on a rocking ship in a rolling ocean might be suicide for me even though sailing is not.

I recently badly sprained a shoulder. If that had happened at sea, no way could I climb up that net. Maybe I got sick. It's possible to get so seasick that you become dangerously dehydrated.

Ya takes yer boat out, and then ya takes yer chances. What we do is at least a little dangerous all the time. One misstep between dock and boat, and you land in the water between two big, heavy hard things -- dock and boat. There's barnacles, and maybe you hit your head on the dock. Maybe no one heard you go in. You're dead, but you died doing, or preparing to do, what you love.

We're all going to die, but we need to live first.
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Old 20-04-2013, 10:20   #169
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One misstep between dock and boat, and you land in the water between two big, heavy hard things -- dock and boat. There's barnacles, and maybe you hit your head on the dock. Maybe no one heard you go in. You're dead, but you died doing, or preparing to do, what you love.
Lots more cruisers die in marina accidents, falling out of the dinghy, or hitting a reef than die offshore in storms.
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Old 20-04-2013, 10:22   #170
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Lots more cruisers die in marina accidents, falling out of the dinghy, or hitting a reef than die offshore in storms.

Offshore is a much safer place to be in a storm anyway. No one would have died in the original incident here if the boat had stayed out of the shallows.
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Old 20-04-2013, 10:23   #171
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[QUOTE=foolishsailor;1215344] ...Good thing that when some of us are at sea the rest of us aren't there.[/QUOTE]

Yep !!!! A certain person was at the top of my list.

Peace bro. It's nice to be nice. Good on ya.
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Old 20-04-2013, 11:23   #172
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And would some of us stop telling us judgemental types that we weren't there. Well, no sheet. I think it's reasonably obvious we weren't there.
Yes, I did notice (and enjoy) the humour in your post , but nonetheless you have incidently(? ) raised an important point (that has not also been covered!).......

....during that storm many boats and many hundreds of lives were saved by other Skippers without needing to be rescued.....simply by not being there, and likely boat tucked up in port and crew sleeping soundly ashore. Seemples .
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Old 20-04-2013, 11:28   #173
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The bottom line in this story is still very simple: North Atlantic, February. It all starts from there.
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Re: Abandon Ship! The Rescue of the Crew of Wolfhound

Welllll, pilgrim ...... I really respect Blue Crab's point.

If you've got those kind of limitations, and insist on taking those chances, that's your right.

BUT, when you hit the red button, everything changes!!! Now you've stepped outside your rights....IMHO.

Better to have kept their heads in those dark places and rode it out.....
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Its funny how some of us like to tell some of us how some of us should determine what some of us should have a right to do.

Good thing that when some of us are at sea the rest of us aren't there.
Wow that sounded like something from back in the 70's in our college daze philosophy class.

I may need to diagram that one...
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Its funny how some of us like to tell some of us how some of us should determine what some of us should have a right to do.

Good thing that when some of us are at sea the rest of us aren't there.
This sounds a bit like "those of us that know what we are doing get really pissed off when someone acts like they know what they are doing"

Having said that - I do happen to agree Foolish

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Re: Abandon Ship! The Rescue of the Crew of Wolfhound

I'm new here and don't want to alienate anyone, but I have to say, it's a matter of too much money and ego and not so much brains. With a east wind who would not have made for the Cheapeake? Just sayin tha'ts all. I read that the boat is still afloat off of Bermuda.
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When I am king, folks who cannot take care of themselves physically or psychologically can't go offshore. Consider the folks who can't climb up the cargo net off the side of the rescuing freighter. They have no business at sea. The plane from wherever to Tahiti is faster and probably cheaper.

Take a cruise ship if ya gotta go by water. Or if you insist on taking a chance, take it. No buttons please.

And would some of us stop telling us judgemental types that we weren't there. Well, no sheet. I think it's reasonably obvious we weren't there.
Well that eliminates disabled sailors , elderly sailors , unfit sailors. Sailors with vertigo , Perhaps you'd just reccomend they be turned in Soylent green.

I'd prefer not to live in your world , that's for sure
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I'm new here and don't want to alienate anyone, but I have to say, it's a matter of too much money and ego and not so much brains. With a east wind who would not have made for the Cheapeake? Just sayin tha'ts all. I read that the boat is still afloat off of Bermuda.
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Reading this thread, then re-reading this thread, has been extremely entertaining. One statement haunts me about this group of men in a boat...... I'm not really comfortable stating 'this group of SAILORS'. The haunting statement is....'they were experienced sailors'......

One contributor pointed out they may have been experienced in sailing races, short trips, etc, but not ocean crossing type trips. Seems like an excellent observation, probably the only one that carries any kind of logical explanation for how this went down.

So they really weren't experienced for a crossing, and on top of that, they were silly & irresponsible, even to the point of being outright stupid, to have been caught with so many issues they were unprepared for. And outright arrogant to think they could undertake such a trip being so unprepared, and lastly, very irresponsible, since they gave no thought to the safety of the US Coast Guard personnel whom are only at danger because of their stupidity.
Just clear a few points. Firstly the skipper is a very experienced sailor and not just racing

Secondly the USCG didn't rescue them.

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