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Old 20-10-2015, 05:07   #31
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I had the new dinghy in the water today. Did not have my GPS aboard but runs about 12knots with a 5hp Yamaha with 200 lbs crew. Seems to do about 8 knots at 1/2 throttle. With my 200 lb neighbor along also, it would still semi plane at around 10 knots.


Normally would have had my gps, but was a bit rushed for time. Also was very stable no problem standing on the outer hull side at 150ls. Still need the foredeck and some glass work, but hopefully not more that 25 lbs more weight. Came it a bit heavier than id hoped but lighter than an 11' rib and needs 1/2 the hp.
Might be interested in your first production one. Passing through St Augustine today, actually. Will be anchored there overnight. Any interest in showing the thing? PM me if so...
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Old 20-10-2015, 08:15   #32
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Re: A real problem with the dinghy

I spent 20 years with a bad back. After sitting, bouncing and twisting on a dinghy I could barely walk. The dinghy isn't the problem. Your back is the problem.


Being "fit" in the traditional way doesn't help. Developing your major muscles can make it worse by having a muscle imbalance. As said in an earlier post, you have to develop your inner core muscles, which are basically just a thin sleeve around your spine. Crunches help, but there are more specific exercises for these core muscles which work more effectively. Initially you will think these exercises are doing nothing because they are no heavy weights involved. Using Pilates Exercises for Back Pain Relief


Work on this for a few months and your back will thank you for it.
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Old 20-10-2015, 08:36   #33
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Jockey seat dink.

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Old 20-10-2015, 08:41   #34
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I've been at this stuff a long time.

Now that I'm back in the water, I was painfully reminded of an old problem that never went away.

I'm in agony after most dingy rides. That crouched position, for several minutes on end,while slamming and pounding up and down,holding onto am outboard with one hand and the hand hold for dear life with the other.

This really, really hurts my back.

What has anyone done to solve this problem?


The first time I visited Georgetown, Bahamas over twenty years ago I learned the best way to operate a dingy was in a standing position with knees against the seat, legs spread wide, slightly flexed, with an extension on the outboard throttle/steering control arm. Essentially a three point stance.

Most comfortable way to operate a dingy. Wear a engine cutoff line attached to your body to be save. However I never had to use it.
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... jockey seat ...

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Old 21-10-2015, 11:58   #37
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Used to run a big military surplus version of that as a chase boat, big ass twin outboards, six point harnesses on the double jockey seat. Big seas...no problem...open it up an fly from crest to crest...great fun! That mode of operation is probably not advisable for a bad back though.
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I've been at this stuff a long time.

Now that I'm back in the water, I was painfully reminded of an old problem that never went away.

I'm in agony after most dingy rides. That crouched position, for several minutes on end,while slamming and pounding up and down,holding onto am outboard with one hand and the hand hold for dear life with the other.

This really, really hurts my back.

What has anyone done to solve this problem?
We're fitting a small tandem seat and fold down helm to our AB 10.5' rib.

My neck and the twisting position needed to control the outboard give me endless grief. It's ok in calm conditions but impractical in any rough conditions.

Our neighbours have a 12' rib with a center console. Worth trying it out to see if it fixes your problem. Its too heavy to hang off the stern so we'll modify what we have.





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Started the core training on my off day of weight lifting.

I have a serious imbalance between left and right side strength doing side planks.

I could do them all day long on one side and struggle to pull out 10 on the other.

Definitely very, very good advice here regarding the back problems.

Thank you. Will work on evening out the asymmetry in my core muscles.
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Slow down?"

Ha ha ha. Figured that one would make the short list but it doesn't help. It still bounces around, but for 3x longer...
You're trying to make a joke instead of seeing the wisdom in this. Rethink your priorities. If you slow down enough you can dinghy all day long. You're just beating yourself up by going too fast. And trying to find a solution that simply requires throwing a bunch of $ at the problem (a radically experimental dinghy).

Slow down.
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You're trying to make a joke instead of seeing the wisdom in this. Rethink your priorities. If you slow down enough you can dinghy all day long. You're just beating yourself up by going too fast. And trying to find a solution that simply requires throwing a bunch of $ at the problem (a radically experimental dinghy).

Slow down.
Not at all.

If you go full tilt, you endure pain for a few minutes. If you go slowly, you are in pain for 10+ minutes.

Sort of like pulling a band aid off. You can either suffer for a minute pulling it slowly, or for a split second and tear it off.

I prefer to tear it off.
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...If you go full tilt, you endure pain for a few minutes. If you go slowly, you are in pain for 10+ minutes....

See this behavior all the time. Full tilt bashing the crew about in the dinghy. If you go slower, yes it takes longer, but much less pain. Also safer. Saw a guy fly out of a speeding dingy a few months ago, no kill switch, dinghy roaring around in circles for about half an hour (guys who fell out were OK).

Some solutions are so simple.
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See this behavior all the time. Full tilt bashing the crew about in the dinghy. If you go slower, yes it takes longer, but much less pain. Also safer. Saw a guy fly out of a speeding dingy a few months ago, no kill switch, dinghy roaring around in circles for about half an hour (guys who fell out were OK).

Some solutions are so simple.
You guys don't have back problems. You don't understand.

Simple as that.

It hurts less to go faster. End of story.

The planing hull still smacks around at low speed and you must hold the position longer. This causes more pain than getting it over with.

You don't know because you don't have scoliosis. Talk to me when you do.

PS: You'd have to be a complete idiot to operate an outboard without a lanyard. That much we can agree on. I've been doing this well over 20 years. It hurts me less to get out of the dinghy asap. Period.
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A lot of like to go diving or fishing several miles from the anchorage several times a week. Whilst there's "no hurry" going 3 miles at 3 knots each way makes for a long outing. Not so bad if you're going a few hundred yards in a protected harbor.
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You guys don't have back problems. You don't understand...
At 72, I've had both ankles, a heelbone and my pelvis broken. I understand. You may never.
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