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Old 12-07-2017, 00:37   #91
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Back on my first Destroyer in '63 I was taught that the proper term for what you called a rope is line. Rope in the Navy is wire.
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To most of us, "rope" by itself is made of fibre. If it is made of wire, it is "wire rope".

Rope becomes line once it is assigned a specific purpose.

(The old, replaced halyards and sheets in my rope locker that I don't want to discard are rope until they are re-purposed and become new lines)
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Old 12-07-2017, 00:44   #92
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To most of us, "rope" by itself is made of fibre. If it is made of wire, it is "wire rope".

Rope becomes line once it is assigned a specific purpose.

(The old, replaced halyards and sheets in my rope locker that I don't want to discard are rope until they are re-purposed and become new lines)
Agreed .

I have been struggling with terminology, as everyone refers to "rope strength" as "line strength". I am swimming against the tide if I try and change this, but it hurts to use the wrong term .

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Agreed .

I have been struggling with terminology, as everyone refers to "rope strength" as "line strength". I am swimming against the tide if I try and change this, but it hurts to use the wrong term .

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I'm guilty of doing that without thinking. I've frequently gone back and edited a post to change "line strength" to "rope strength" when I've done it.
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To most of us, "rope" by itself is made of fibre. If it is made of wire, it is "wire rope".

Rope becomes line once it is assigned a specific purpose.

(The old, replaced halyards and sheets in my rope locker that I don't want to discard are rope until they are re-purposed and become new lines)
Same understanding that I have... a Line is a Rope in use.
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Rope becomes line once it is assigned a specific purpose.

(The old, replaced halyards and sheets in my rope locker that I don't want to discard are rope until they are re-purposed and become new lines)
At risk of drifting off topic, I think there are only 3 ropes on a boat...the head rope, bucket rope, and foot rope. Did I miss any?
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At risk of drifting off topic, I think there are only 3 ropes on a boat...the head rope, bucket rope, and foot rope. Did I miss any?
Bell rope. Man ropes. Thats all I can think of. Oh on a square rigged ship, footropes.
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To most of us, "rope" by itself is made of fibre. If it is made of wire, it is "wire rope".

Rope becomes line once it is assigned a specific purpose.

(The old, replaced halyards and sheets in my rope locker that I don't want to discard are rope until they are re-purposed and become new lines)
Thanks Stu

When I was being told I was a Seaman Apprentice on my first ship and of course they were trying to be authoritative and making the message simple. Sometimes they didn't cuff you at the same time. I learned pretty quickly what terms they wanted me to use.
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Bell rope. Man ropes. Thats all I can think of. Oh on a square rigged ship, footropes.
Add luff rope.
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Juho, I know it is not the correct practice, but I too am guilty of occasionally adding a half hitch (or even two ) to a cleat hitch.

I will stop doing this when there is a risk of high load seizing the hitch. Instead, a loose round turn around the base should minimise the risk of any accidental loosening.

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I was guilty of NOT putting my usual half hitch on a small cleat on the mast when I cleared away the lazy jacks before today's race in 20 knots.
(Influenced by this thread!)

Had to drop the main without a lazyjack after the race and then climb the mast to the first spreader to rerun the errant line.

Never again!
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At risk of drifting off topic, I think there are only 3 ropes on a boat...the head rope, bucket rope, and foot rope. Did I miss any?
Bell rope, bolt rope, and any cordage bigger than small stuff and smaller than cable -- when you're referring to it as cordage.
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To most of us, "rope" by itself is made of fibre. If it is made of wire, it is "wire rope".

Rope becomes line once it is assigned a specific purpose.

(The old, replaced halyards and sheets in my rope locker that I don't want to discard are rope until they are re-purposed and become new lines)
Yes. We've had this discussion before.

"Line" as a salty-sounding substitute for "rope" is one of the most lubberly turns of speech I know.

I would only suggest that rope is never "line" (ugh!), but rather "a line", yes, after it has a specific function, and when you want to refer to its function rather than as material. It's actually still "rope" too -- "that dock line is made of really nice nylon octoplait rope".

There are miles of rope on my boat.
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