Cruisers Forum
 


Reply
  This discussion is proudly sponsored by:
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about their products on Cruisers Forums. Advertise Here
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 25-10-2011, 21:03   #1
Registered User

Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 27
Swing Keel

just starting to look into sailing and i was wondering, if a boat has a swing
keel does that mean it definatly can be launched off of a boat launch using only a trailer and a pickup truck? and if a boat has a fixed keel does that mean it must be placed in the water with a crane?
thanks for your help
floater81 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26-10-2011, 13:34   #2
Registered User
 
SkiprJohn's Avatar

Join Date: May 2006
Location: Nicholasville, Kentucky
Boat: 15 foot Canoe
Posts: 14,191
Re: Swing Keel

Aloha,
Swing keels (or daggerboards) are design to be hauled on a trailer and to be launched at most boat ramps using a pickup or a car depending on the size of the boat.
Some fin keels can do the same but they must be used on boat ramps that are deep enough with the trailer tongue long enough for you to get the hull of the boat in enough water to float it off the trailer.
Generally fin keelers on trailers need a crane but not always.
kind regards,
__________________
John
SkiprJohn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26-10-2011, 14:04   #3
Registered User
 
sabray's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Wash DC
Boat: PETERSON 44
Posts: 3,165
Re: Swing Keel

of course some are not designed to be trailed see. Pelagic Expeditions Fleet Overview. guess though you weren't thinking this big.
sabray is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26-10-2011, 15:02   #4
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: between the devil and the deep blue sea
Boat: a sailing boat
Posts: 20,437
Re: Swing Keel

There are also the swinging keels which swing athwart - like on an Imoca or a Mini. These can be removed for transportation.

b.
barnakiel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26-10-2011, 15:25   #5
Moderator Emeritus
 
roverhi's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Carlsbad, CA
Boat: 1976 Sabre 28-2
Posts: 7,505
Send a message via Yahoo to roverhi
Re: Swing Keel

Most any boat can be launched off a trailer as long as you can get the trailer into deep enough water to float the boat off. Of course, getting the trailer back from a 1/4 mile offshore could be an issue.

There are a couple ways of successfully launching boats with relatively deep draft. One, mentioned above, is an extendable trailer tongue. With the tongue extended, you can get the boat at least 10' and possibly further out in the water with it still attached to the above water truck. Many boats here are launched with extendable tongues.

Another way to do it is with wheels on the tongue near the hitch and a stout rope. A Hobie 33 regularly launches his boat that way when he can't won't crank the keel up. He backs the boat down the ramp, disconnects the trailer tongue from the truck and then pushes the boat and trailer out until it's in deep enough water to float the boat. He then pulls the trailer up the ramp with a rope until he can reattach the trailer to his truck. Does the reverse to retrieve the boat. He's added two non-steerable wheels to the tongue to make it easier to launch and retrieve the trailer. Another guy with a smaller boat doesn't have wheels on his toungue and just skids it up and down the ramp.

There are swing keel, keel centerboard, drop keel and shallow keel designs for trailerable sail boats. A swing keel is a weighted keel that is swung up into the hull for launching/shallow draft needs like on the McGregor boats. A keel center board has low draft ballast keel with a non-ballasted center board to minimize leeway like a Tartan 27. The Hobie 33 has a ballasted keel that is retracted into the hull vertically for trailering. Last but not least are the shallow draft fixed keels like the Columbia 24, IIRC.

I'm not a fan of swing keels because they are dangerous. In a knockdown, the keel can retract throwing the boat into a negative righting situation and the boat turns turtle. It's happened a number of times with some loss of life. Like the drop keel and keel centerboard boats cause they don't have the drastic changes in stability and have good sailing performance to windward. The shallow draft keel boats also don't suffer the stability issues of the swing keel boats but have crappy windward performance because of leeway.
__________________
Peter O.
'Ae'a, Pearson 35
'Ms American Pie', Sabre 28 Mark II
roverhi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-10-2011, 15:41   #6
Registered User
 
Unicorn Dreams's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Clear Lake Marine Services - Seabrook, Texas
Boat: Gulfstar, Mark II Ketch, 43'
Posts: 2,359
Re: Swing Keel

Welcome Aboard Cruisers Forum
__________________
Formerly Santana
The winds blow true,The skies stay blue,
Everyday is a good day for SAILING!!!!
Unicorn Dreams is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-10-2011, 17:20   #7
Registered User
 
ozskipper's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: NSW Australia
Boat: Traditional 30
Posts: 1,980
Re: Swing Keel

Quote:
Originally Posted by floater81 View Post
just starting to look into sailing and i was wondering, if a boat has a swing
keel does that mean it definatly can be launched off of a boat launch using only a trailer and a pickup truck? and if a boat has a fixed keel does that mean it must be placed in the water with a crane?
thanks for your help
Pretty much yes. There are a few exceptions. But swing keelers are usually trailer boats. As are most Drop keelers. 99% of fixed keelers are always kept in the water with the exception of some 20-30ft racing classes which are usually kept on cradles at a yacht club. The club will have its own hoist to raise and lower the boat. Etchels, J24 and a few others.

There are some larger boats with drop and swing keels. but they are in the minority.
__________________
Cheers
Oz
...............
ozskipper is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
1975 Catalina 22 Swing Keel Maintenance ronosceola Monohull Sailboats 6 23-09-2012 08:34
Dude, Where's My Keel ? ssanzone General Sailing Forum 40 15-12-2011 14:27
Swing Keel vs Fixed rpoint16 Monohull Sailboats 6 22-08-2011 19:07
For Sale: Melges 32 / 30 Keel captmmac1 Classifieds Archive 0 14-08-2011 19:31
Keel Saga, for Those Contemplating this Procedure for Your Boat . . . CharlieCobra Construction, Maintenance & Refit 11 10-07-2010 02:47

Advertise Here


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 07:36.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.