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Old 28-07-2010, 16:21   #1
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My wife and I have recently moved aboard our boat, a 2001 Island Packet 420. We'll be spending the next 4 years getting the boat and ourselves ready for what we hope will be the longest circumnavigation in the history of the planet. The Cruisers Forum looks like a fantastic resource of knowledge and ideas and we look forward to participating, learning, making new friends, etc.

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Old 28-07-2010, 16:52   #2
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Welcome and congrats on your yacht as well as finding this cool place. There are tons of GREAT people here that will make your stay VERY enjoyable!! Cheers
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Old 28-07-2010, 17:20   #3
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Welcome,
This is a great place.

I noticed this in your blog.

"The gentleman who did the survey for us was recommended by the broker representing the sellers. The surveyor never mentioned any problem with the holding tank even though we had pointed out the "leak" at the valves. As it turns out, this is a fairly common problem on Island Packets. The tanks are all made from aluminum and there have been quite a few reports of failed tanks. Seems to me that a good surveyor would have been familiar with this. It was his job to be completely thorough in his inspection and yet he missed the biggest, most obvious problem on the boat. I hate being taken for a sucker."


There is a thread about brokers that this would fit into.

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Old 28-07-2010, 17:48   #4
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Old 28-07-2010, 17:59   #5
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Welcome,
This is a great place.

I noticed this in your blog.

"The gentleman who did the survey for us was recommended by the broker representing the sellers. The surveyor never mentioned any problem with the holding tank even though we had pointed out the "leak" at the valves. As it turns out, this is a fairly common problem on Island Packets. The tanks are all made from aluminum and there have been quite a few reports of failed tanks. Seems to me that a good surveyor would have been familiar with this. It was his job to be completely thorough in his inspection and yet he missed the biggest, most obvious problem on the boat. I hate being taken for a sucker."


There is a thread about brokers that this would fit into.

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Yes, but it was your job not to set yourself up by accepting the recommendation of the broker when it came to hiring a surveyor. The surveyor works for you, and you pay handsomely for his expertise, so it's at least unwise to rely on the broker's surveyor recommendation.

What is more, you threw away the opportunity to find the problems (all boats have them) that you could have used to re-negotiate a lower price for the vessel. Please remember this when you buy your next vessel.

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Old 28-07-2010, 18:24   #6
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Yeah, this sounds like paying the fox to guard the hen house so to speak. At least those are minor issues as far as failed tanks. I would quickly get a qualified surveyor on your boat asap and have it done properly. Also, I would get back with the surveyor/seller and make sure they know of your problem. Worse case is they tell you nothing they can do.
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Old 28-07-2010, 19:58   #7
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Yes, but it was your job not to set yourself up by accepting the recommendation of the broker when it came to hiring a surveyor. The surveyor works for you, and you pay handsomely for his expertise, so it's at least unwise to rely on the broker's surveyor recommendation.

What is more, you threw away the opportunity to find the problems (all boats have them) that you could have used to re-negotiate a lower price for the vessel. Please remember this when you buy your next vessel.

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Thanks to all for chiming in. It's already a pleasure to be a part of the action.

TaoJones - I was working with a broker in Maryland who got the recommendation for the surveyor from the seller's broker down in Florida. Prior to the survey I flew down and did my own survey as best I could. In the end we got the boat for $110,000 under the going price. We did OK. My complaint about the surveyor was having to pay $900 for something that was useless in the end. I do appreciate your input and look forward to getting more advice on other subjects as well.

This one should probably be taken up in the "broker forum".

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Yes, but it was your job not to set yourself up by accepting the recommendation of the broker when it came to hiring a surveyor. The surveyor works for you, and you pay handsomely for his expertise, so it's at least unwise to rely on the broker's surveyor recommendation.

What is more, you threw away the opportunity to find the problems (all boats have them) that you could have used to re-negotiate a lower price for the vessel. Please remember this when you buy your next vessel.

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Whenever I come across aluminum tanks I always recommend in my surveys that they be inspected annually by a qualified technician. You have to especially be weary of aluminum tanks that are padded with foam or insulation as the moisture can become trapped between the tank and the insulation and can cause acclerated deterioration of the tank. I use a camera probe on my surveys to see as much of the tank as possible just for CYA as well. Most of the time I get aluminum tank failures at the tank fittings from the connecting lines or cracks in the welded joints.
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Old 03-08-2010, 14:04   #11
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Whenever I come across aluminum tanks I always recommend in my surveys that they be inspected annually by a qualified technician. You have to especially be weary of aluminum tanks that are padded with foam or insulation as the moisture can become trapped between the tank and the insulation and can cause acclerated deterioration of the tank. I use a camera probe on my surveys to see as much of the tank as possible just for CYA as well. Most of the time I get aluminum tank failures at the tank fittings from the connecting lines or cracks in the welded joints.
Thanks for your input. The holding tank in my boat is V shaped and the area that failed was at the bottom of the V, right on a seam. I'm just now finding out that this is a pretty common problem, holding tank disaster. Fun stuff.
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Welcome Tom & Cheri ! congrats on your new boat and your new life style every new second hand boat has some sort of issue dont be put off you have a great boat and a fantastic new life enjoy
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You are correct.
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I keep trusting.
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I have learned from my mistakes, and I believe I can repeat them all exactly.

Augy - Welcome aboard! Your original request sounds military - you USN? I NEVER board someone's boat without asking.....

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Old 03-08-2010, 15:59   #14
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I have learned from my mistakes, and I believe I can repeat them all exactly.

Augy - Welcome aboard! Your original request sounds military - you USN? I NEVER board someone's boat without asking.....

John

John - That's affirmative. USN, '76 - '82. FTM2. Served four and a half years aboard the USS Norton Sound, also known as Building 1 because it was permanently tied to the pier. Also, also known as "the Love Boat" because we were one of the first to have females aboard. Yikes! Let's not go back there.

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Welcome.

Herrington Harbour is not that far from us. Holler if you see us out and about.

We lusted after an IP for a long time- finally decided we just weren't going to be able to afford one bigger than a breadbox.:-) Very nice boats.

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