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Old 19-07-2016, 04:02   #1
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Palmer Johnson 36 Standfast

Hi all! I am a new owner of the Thrasher, a PJ36. I am in the process of updating her even to the point of installing her first electric bilge pump!!!

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Old 19-07-2016, 07:44   #2
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Is that the PJ36 (Mass)? Cool boat.
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It is currently in northern MI on Lake Huron...jim


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Re: Palmer Johnson 36 Standfast

arizonaames,

Hi, there, and welcome aboard to you and your boat. We sailed a PJ36 from America through to Australia, where we sold her. Did on the order of 78,000 miles on her, and 18 yrs. Hopefully, your new-to-you one will do the same for you.

Incidentally, it is very much worthwhile to remove the ceilings outboard of the pilot berths and have a look at the chainplates. Only the deck protrusion is stainless, the rest is mild steel, and may or may not need to be replaced. The mast step is also mild steel.

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Re: Palmer Johnson 36 Standfast

G'Day Jim, and welcome to CF.

Ann and I owned the first Insatiable, Standfast 36, hull 109 for 18 years. Everyone told us she was totally unsuited as a cruising platform. We left from San Francisco in 1986, and eventually sold her in Australia in 2004, having lived aboard for 17 years and cruised for 86,400 miles, mostly through the South Pacific and Mexico. We thought the world of that boat!

So, you have what can be a great boat. Getting old now, but good bones, and a good performer at sea. If we can be of help, we are willing to try... but if you have questions, try to make them fairly specific rather than the "tell me everything" variety that folks often post here.

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Do we know if it is the Swan PJ36 or the Mass PJ36?
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Guy, good point. His avatar doesn't have any info. Ours was a Franz Maas design.

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Congratulations, you are now an honorary member of the Plastic Classics group! You are now in the running for the "don't make a mess in the mess" oven mitt and the "kiss the skipper" lobster bib! (still working on the benefits part of group membership)
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Old 19-07-2016, 17:37   #9
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[QUOTE=Ann T. Cate;2170107] Ours was a Franz Maas design.

I looked at the PJ36 (Mass) Sarah several times. I liked so much about how it was set up. I think the owners had just returned from going around the world. It was for sale in Napa.
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Ours was a Franz Maas design.

You guy's mentioned that. I looked at the PJ36 (Mass) Sarah several times. I liked so much about how it was set up. I think the owners had just returned from
going around the world. It was for sale in Napa.
The OP said it was a Standfast 36, and that refers specifically to the Mass design. IIRC, the other PJ36 was a Swan (S&S) built under license by PJ. They also built a 43 foot S&S design Swan for a while.

We met Sarah in Noumea in 1999. IIRC (again) it was slightly different than ours, with a deeper (8ft+) keel and a somewhat different layout below. The Standfast was never a true production boat in that they did build twenty hulls (plus a prototype), but there were significant differences between individual builds.

When we bought ours in 1984, I had some conversations with personnel at PJ who had worked on the project. They had built the Standfast 40 a couple of years earlier, and it was a great success racing as a two-tonner. The 36 was a follow on design in the one-ton class, but it was slow to reach production. I recall being told that they introduced it at the boat show in Chicago... the same week that Doug Peterson took Ganberre (sp?) to the world one-tons and blew everyone's doors off. His design was about half the displacement of the Standfast and rated the same. As the chap said, "the handwriting was on t he wall", and the 36 was never competitive in serious racing. Made a hell of a nice fast cruiser, though!

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Thank you, Jim and Ann. I just brought her up from Bay City, MI to Augres and through large wakes, she did not rock or move offcourse....jim

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Re: Palmer Johnson 36 Standfast

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arizonaames,

Hi, there, and welcome aboard to you and your boat. We sailed a PJ36 from America through to Australia, where we sold her. Did on the order of 78,000 miles on her, and 18 yrs. Hopefully, your new-to-you one will do the same for you.

Incidentally, it is very much worthwhile to remove the ceilings outboard of the pilot berths and have a look at the chainplates. Only the deck protrusion is stainless, the rest is mild steel, and may or may not need to be replaced. The mast step is also mild steel.

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Hello Ann,
it is quite funny having found this reply of yours today... I am just back from my third visit on a Standfast 36 laying on dry here in Central Italy. I am a pro skipper, looking for a small offshore cruiser for my own pleasure (after too much time sailing for others). I recently fall in love with this design...
the 36 is not so much roomy for a 36... she is not probably so much fast... but don't ask me why I love her proportions, the solid look. The building quality.

So what is funny about your reply?
Well, just have a look at my picture. I visited this boat for the third time as I said being very advanced on the process of buying. And this is the surprise I had today: rotten chainplates.
I am now in the dilemma if asking for a price reduction or giving up! The chainplates is not the only problem.

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Re: Palmer Johnson 36 Standfast

I replaced the mast step plates...2 of them....minimal cost. I also replaced the main with a footless main.
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Hello Ann,
it is quite funny having found this reply of yours today... I am just back from my third visit on a Standfast 36 laying on dry here in Central Italy. I am a pro skipper, looking for a small offshore cruiser for my own pleasure (after too much time sailing for others). I recently fall in love with this design...
the 36 is not so much roomy for a 36... she is not probably so much fast... but don't ask me why I love her proportions, the solid look. The building quality.

So what is funny about your reply?
Well, just have a look at my picture. I visited this boat for the third time as I said being very advanced on the process of buying. And this is the surprise I had today: rotten chainplates.
I am now in the dilemma if asking for a price reduction or giving up! The chainplates is not the only problem.

https://thalassobiote.files.wordpres...0/img_1117.jpg
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OUCH! Not a pretty sight, that. They are certainly in need of replacement. FWIW, in our boat the steel strap that ran down from the actual chainplate structure all the way to the keel structure had rusted through before we bought the boat. We never fixed that part... but it wasn't as far gone as yours appear to be. In our case, the upper portions of the chainplates were not so badly rusted. We made up some additional "L" shaped bits, bolted them to the existing plates and glassed them into the hull, effectively sistering the chainplate structure. Was still intact when we sold t he boat in 2004, and I believe she is still sailing in Queensland somewhere..

If you go ahead with the purchase, good luck with the boat. We sure loved ours!

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Re: Palmer Johnson 36 Standfast

Thallasabiote--neat screen name, by the way:

A friend of ours had the prototype, and he removed the mild steel portion of the chainplates, displayed them as a trophy in the rigging shop at a local marina. They were lacy, if you fancy brown lace. Having seen that, we did the process I mentioned in that post, from time to time, and then, effected the repair in the manner Jim described. So, the good news is that there can be a fix--Carsten fixed his. But it is definitely a potential issue with the PJ 36 (Standfast). Another issue, at least on our old one, was there was no stringer to support the aft end of the keel. Jim eventually repaired that, in the water, a little scary with the angle grinder, that close to the water. Should you get a weeping leak by the aftmost keel boat, that is the repair you're looking at .... it seems the boat doesn't like sitting on her keel because of the lack of the support there.

I hope it works out for you. Although not fast by today's standards, she routinely gave us 140 mi. days, and one memorable trip, a week with the average of 159.5, not bad for a boat with a 29 ft. waterline!

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