Hello From Ukraine

[Dockhead]

Originally Posted by georgecaptain

If i want to sail in Ukrainian water that I need: registration of yacht, crew list, my license and passports of crew.
I can move very quickly if I'm going in cabotage. If I go to close or open border that is going to be hard paperwork. I remember, I came from Turkey. It was night time. Coast guard ordered me to stay on anchor behind port until morning. what do you think about it? I came to my country but I must stay out of port because they are thinking something.

Sounds just like Russia. They don't have a clearance procedure for pleasure vessels, so you clear in and out just like a commercial ship. At similar cost! Using a regular agent like ships use. They won't let you even enter their ports if the offices are closed. It's a real PITA, and very expensive, so foreign yachts just practically never come.

They also don't like for you to stand at anchor anywhere, but you would hardy want to, anyway, since the Russian part of the Black Sea coast is not very indented and has few usable anchorages. The Ukrainian part is much better, judging by Google Earth, although I suppose it is very shallow near the coast in many places.

I would have thought that Ukraine would have reformed those procedures by now.

In the Crimea I guess you have to deal with Russians, too, because of the Black Sea Fleet base at Sevastopol. Or stay far, far away.

[georgecaptain]

Originally Posted by atoll

i have another yacht as well that i might be interested in doing the danube,black sea route one summer if i can find some ukraine girls to crew for me!

more here
http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...rew-59975.html

May be easy to find girls on the beginning point of your trip?

[Wavewacker]

Wow, this is better than the 40 meter band, QSL Ukraine!
Welcome to CF! I'll be looking forward to learning from your experience!
Seems some of those girls are on other sites these days

[georgecaptain]

Originally Posted by Wavewacker

Wow, this is better than the 40 meter band, QSL Ukraine!
Welcome to CF! I'll be looking forward to learning from your experience!
Seems some of those girls are on other sites these days

People go to use eQSL many years. Do you know about it?

[evm1024]

Originally Posted by georgecaptain

Hi.
My friends call me Jora. This is a short way from George.
A few words about your plan. When you go up the Dnieper, you should know a few things. You have to put down the mast. Kherson first bridge has a height of 14 meters. What is the height of the main mast is yours? You will meet a lot of dams along the way and do not go out of the fairway. There are many shoals. Also, be ready to catch net on your prop. Last is not necessary but could be with you.

Hi,

the mast is 17.5 meters and would need to be pulled down. I do have a few charts of the Dneper (they were hard to come by) and know there are a lot of dams and lower bridges. I do remember seeing some very large cruise ships at Dnepropetrovsk. In a pinch I could follow them.

I'll remember to look out for nets....

I sail on the Columbia River which is much like the Dneper. The Dneper is a few km longer but 1/4 the volume of water.
As for Ukraine women crew I have 2. They are some of the best!

--Ethan

[CeesH]

привет George,

Nice to see an Ukraine friend here. I have spent about 10 holidays in Ukraine, visited most of the country. Crimea has a special place in my haert. Love the shore and beaches of aswell the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov.

Please don't say that the roads are bad, with a normal car you can, with a little care of potholes, visit the whole of Ukraine. My visits where made with a 9 meter Mercedes 1213 Motorhome. Love the country.

And I loveeeeeeee the home made самогон (hope the spelling is correct)

CeesH

[SkiprJohn]

Aloha and welcome aboard!
Good to have you here.
kind regards,

[Misiu]

Originally Posted by CeesH

привет George,

And I loveeeeeeee the home made самогон (hope the spelling is correct)

CeesH

Yes, that's right spelling

[atoll]

Originally Posted by georgecaptain

May be easy to find girls on the beginning point of your trip?

i'm a firm beliver in, if you want to learn a language properly, you have to sleep with the dictionary

[CeesH]

Originally Posted by atoll

i'm a firm beliver in, if you want to learn a language properly, you have to sleep with the dictionary

My mom teached me to put it under my pillow at night

[atoll]

Originally Posted by CeesH

My mom teached me to put it under my pillow at night

that is fine,but can it cook and keep you warm at night..........

[CeesH]

Originally Posted by atoll

that is fine,but can it cook and keep you warm at night..........

One sec, I ask my Brazilian wife

[georgecaptain]

Originally Posted by Dockhead

Sounds just like Russia. They don't have a clearance procedure for pleasure vessels, so you clear in and out just like a commercial ship. At similar cost! Using a regular agent like ships use. They won't let you even enter their ports if the offices are closed. It's a real PITA, and very expensive, so foreign yachts just practically never come.

They also don't like for you to stand at anchor anywhere, but you would hardy want to, anyway, since the Russian part of the Black Sea coast is not very indented and has few usable anchorages. The Ukrainian part is much better, judging by Google Earth, although I suppose it is very shallow near the coast in many places.

I would have thought that Ukraine would have reformed those procedures by now.

In the Crimea I guess you have to deal with Russians, too, because of the Black Sea Fleet base at Sevastopol. Or stay far, far away.

You don't have deal with Russians in Crimea. It is not their business to control Ukrainian coast.
Unfortunately, you are right about the procedures at ports.
I saw one situation in this year. Elio, Brazilian man, came to Yalta on his yacht from Balaclava. Hi has idea to close border and leave Ukraine. Next destination was Georgia. Port authorities charged him for some special high price and they ordered him to get agent. I felt ashamed of this situation. He said that never again will come to Ukraine
Did you sail on the Black Sea?

[Dockhead]

Originally Posted by georgecaptain

You don't have deal with Russians in Crimea. It is not their business to control Ukrainian coast.
Unfortunately, you are right about the procedures at ports.
I saw one situation in this year. Elio, Brazilian man, came to Yalta on his yacht from Balaclava. Hi has idea to close border and leave Ukraine. Next destination was Georgia. Port authorities charged him for some special high price and they ordered him to get agent. I felt ashamed of this situation. He said that never again will come to Ukraine
Did you sail on the Black Sea?

Yes, from Sochi and Novorossysk, where I spend a lot of time anyway on business. I have some friends with a yacht in Sochi; I have also rented them. The boats were all Russian flagged and we didn't cross any borders, so we didn't go through this procedure, but even for Russian-flagged boats it's terrible. Some friends of mine run rallies from Sochi to Istanbul and from Sochi to Abkhazia, and although they are an official yacht club with supposedly official support, they have horrible problems clearing in and out of ports. So you really don't want to be a foreigner and do that.

The coast is extremely beautiful with Caucasus mountains reaching right down to the sea -- around Sochi is the place where the ancient Greeks thought Prometheus lived. But even without border problems I think not so good for cruising -- the sea is very shallow close to shore and there are few bays and no islands at all, so hardly any place to stop for the night. From Sochi you have to sail all the way to Tuapse to find a port.

Black Sea is also challenging from point of view of weather -- propensity to sudden storms and horrible sea state from the seabed form and shallow water.

[georgecaptain]

Originally Posted by evm1024

Hi,

the mast is 17.5 meters and would need to be pulled down. I do have a few charts of the Dneper (they were hard to come by) and know there are a lot of dams and lower bridges. I do remember seeing some very large cruise ships at Dnepropetrovsk. In a pinch I could follow them.

I'll remember to look out for nets....

I sail on the Columbia River which is much like the Dneper. The Dneper is a few km longer but 1/4 the volume of water.
As for Ukraine women crew I have 2. They are some of the best!

--Ethan

I think you saw cruiser "Т. Г. Шевченко" or sister-ship.
You can buy charts of Dneiper in navigation camera of Kherson port. There are used charts but they are not so expensive like new charts.