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17-12-2015, 06:21
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#61
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Moderator
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Denmark (Winter), Helsinki (Summer); Cruising the Baltic Sea this year!
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Re: citizenship
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Originally Posted by Muckle Flugga
Now that's not a bad choice at all… (meaning becoming Swedish, not particularly abandoning the US although the worldwide tax regime does seem to miss some of the point of taxes in the first place) though I would prefer Norway if it were myself.
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I guess Norwegian citizenship would be about 1000x harder to get, but I agree that it would be pretty sweet, considering the nice little trust fund the Norwegian people are sitting on
Norway is not EU, though
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17-12-2015, 06:39
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#62
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cat herder, extreme blacksheep
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: furycame alley , tropics, mexico for now
Boat: 1976 FORMOSA yankee clipper 41
Posts: 18,967
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Re: citizenship
i was BORN an american citizen with some privilege.
i CHOOSE to continue to be a usa citizen, with what few advantages that may ormay not bring to me. i paid into fica from age 16-55, at which time i became disabled.
i CHOOSE to continue to remain usa citizen, as i wander about.
i also CHOSE to remain in mexico many years, as repairs and refit are much less price burdened.
life in usa is impossible on a fixed income as low as is the benefit from ssdi. however, life here is enjoyable. the choice is a major duh!
HOWEVER, until the powers that think they be destroy usa completely, i will remain a citizen. i still have family in country, and there is no reason not to remain citizen.
even if uscg documentation annually is 26 usd plus whatever they wish to add.....
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17-12-2015, 06:44
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#63
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 2,409
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Re: citizenship
I got tired of USA and moved to Latin America. Well actually I'm just in Miami
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17-12-2015, 07:02
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#64
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One of Those
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Colorado
Boat: Catalac 12M (sold)
Posts: 3,218
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Re: citizenship
Miami is the capital of Latin America.
I'll probably stay a US citizen unless Texas secedes.
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17-12-2015, 08:41
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#65
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: W Carib
Boat: Wildcat 35, Hobie 33
Posts: 13,480
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Re: citizenship
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Originally Posted by motion30
I got tired of USA and moved to Latin America. Well actually I'm just in Miami
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Bienvenidos a Habana Pequeño!
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17-12-2015, 09:10
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#66
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: VA, boat: Deale, MD
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Posts: 1,414
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Re: citizenship
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Originally Posted by Steven UK
I know of couples who were working in the us and gave birth here. The kid was given a foreign (to the us) passport but the immigration officer gave the parents a hard time because his logic stated the kid being born in the us made him a citizen of the us. However us couples having kids outside the us automatically have kids as us citizens. The logic is different in different countries. Personally I have one nationality and two green cards. But I'm coincidring dual nationality to make life easier for my family, need to make sure it makes sense first though. Back to the subject in question you can apply for a second nationality if some one (country) will have you and give up or keep your current nationality depending on preference any host country laws. US has some unique tax laws that may make giving up citizenship attractive to some people, it also has good welfare which makes getting it attractive to some people...
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The only time I've heard of kids born in the US and not receiving citizenship are when the parents are here on diplomatic purposes working at their respective embassy.
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Originally Posted by svlamorocha
There are almost a couple hundred countries in the world, each with their own rules.
The US rules have nothing to do with acquiring German citizenship.
In your case what matters are the German rules. If a couple of foreigners (American or Russian or Martian, just to make a point) who hold German permanent residence permits and have lived in Germany for 8 years have a chiled in Germany then the child is German. Rules in several other European countries are similar but less strict (fewer years required).
If you were in Germany with the miltary then this does not apply to you of course.
On thr other hand, most countries in the Americas will grant citizenship by birth regardless of the status of the parents. I know plenty of US-citizen couples with children who acquired Argentine, Brazilian or British citizenship by birth.
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I've heard of a couple things when it comes to Germany.
For me, I was born in Germany on a US military base. So I only have American citizenship. I found out fairly recently that my parents could have registered my birth with the German officials and I could have received a German birth certificate and then be considered dual citizen. At least until 18yrs old when military service would have been required, then I'd have to drop one.
I know other military personnel who have kids born in Germany off-base and their kids would receive a German birth certificate/citizenship. The parents would then have to apply for the US documentation at the embassy in order to receive the US State Dept. Birth Certificate, and US passport.
While in Colombia once, I was working on legal stuff and I needed my birth certificate. When they saw I was born in Germany, they wanted a German birth certificate, even though I said I didn't have one. Just to confirm, I contacted the office that deals with birth certificates in the German city, where I received a reply that they didn't have a record of me but gave me a list of information to provide if I wanted to receive the German birth certificate. So it seems it could have been possible to get it, but I wasn't interested.
Sometimes, military children born overseas can get confusing on all the extra details.
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17-12-2015, 15:42
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#67
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Senior Cruiser
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Coos Bay, Oregon
Boat: Valiant 40 (1975)
Posts: 4,073
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Re: citizenship
I want a Martian Passport. Anyone going that way? Maybe I could just call a number...
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17-12-2015, 15:56
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#68
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Marine Service Provider
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: St. Petersburg, FL
Boat: Retired Delivery Capt
Posts: 3,684
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citizenship
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Originally Posted by s/v Beth
I want a Martian Passport. Anyone going that way? Maybe I could just call a number...
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Word is if you marry one you automatically get dual citizenship.
But Martian INS will carefully audit the arrangement. Mars also offers a K1-M2 visa if you are engaged to a Martian
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17-12-2015, 16:10
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#69
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Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Gig Harbor, WA
Boat: Prior boats: Transpac 49; DeFever 54
Posts: 2,874
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Re: citizenship
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Originally Posted by a64pilot
You probably already know this, but it may help
Renunciation of U.S. Nationality
I didn't think a US citizen is allowed to hold a dual citizenship?
Looked it up , you can but probably not if both parents were US citizens?
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I have had dual citizenship for years. The US Government requires that you swear allegiance first and foremost to the USA in the oath I took but didn't preclude holding citizenship in another country.
The rub is usually in the country from which you immigrate changing their law to accommodate dual citizenship. There is little if any pressure for foreign countries to address the issue. Phil
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18-12-2015, 01:46
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#70
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Germany
Boat: 2ft wide dreaming chair
Posts: 311
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Re: citizenship
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Originally Posted by s/v Beth
I want a Martian Passport. Anyone going that way? Maybe I could just call a number...
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carefull with that, Venusians might be offended and not allow you in...
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18-12-2015, 03:55
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#71
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One of Those
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Colorado
Boat: Catalac 12M (sold)
Posts: 3,218
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Re: citizenship
I guess if you were to immigrate to Syria, or Mexico, or Honduras, then you could give up your US citizenship and yet come back in anytime you please. No customs or immigration hassles at all.
Might have to walk across a river, but it will be well marked with people on the US side to give you money.
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18-12-2015, 04:29
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#72
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Ft Lauderdale Florida
Boat: Catalina 320
Posts: 142
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Re: citizenship
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Originally Posted by Simonsays
and why did you not say that at the beginning of the thread?
you could have saved everyone else some time to!
bloody egoists...
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Sorry, I promise to be more vigilant in the future.
Have a great day, Woody
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18-12-2015, 04:33
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#73
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: W Carib
Boat: Wildcat 35, Hobie 33
Posts: 13,480
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Re: citizenship
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Originally Posted by Canibul
I guess if you were to immigrate to Syria, or Mexico, or Honduras, then you could give up your US citizenship and yet come back in anytime you please. No customs or immigration hassles at all.
Might have to walk across a river, but it will be well marked with people on the US side to give you money.
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Give that a try and lets us know how you enjoy the experience.
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18-12-2015, 04:46
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#74
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 166
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Re: citizenship
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Originally Posted by Dockhead
Taxes. The U.S. has a unique regime of taxing its citizens on their worldwide income regardless of source of the income, or your residence. You can an exemption up to about 100k for salary income, and you get to offset foreign taxes paid, but for high income people or people living on investment income, it really sucks to be an American abroad.
I have a good friend who renounced his U.S. citizenship and became, of all things, a Swedish citizen. Hard to believe it but it's true that a socialist country like Sweden treats its entrepreneurs a lot better than we do ours. My friend says it's the best decision he ever made in his life.
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So you're saying in Sweden the upper class doesn't pay much for taxes? Is that why liberals lean toward socialism?
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18-12-2015, 05:06
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#75
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 166
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Re: citizenship
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Originally Posted by Dockhead
In most of the developed world outside of the U.S., health care for legal residents is free or very inexpensive. It is just not the problem, for most people, like it is for us. What's really the kicker is that their taxes are often not more than ours are, and sometimes less. Your income taxes are for sure less in London, than they are in NYC, once you count local taxes.
We.live in a laissez-faire society, but pay socialist taxes. It's not a very good deal for many people.
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I've lived in England, experienced their health care, witnessed their economy, bad example.
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