Originally Posted by Iaangus
Deleted long reply, no time to finish, I lived there 3 years Knew lots of people and use the painfully slow health care
system and it wasn't free. You were thinking it was perfect? I'm just saying it should not be used as a gold standard.
Deleted long reply probably because you knew your actual knowledge of the system in the UK was very poor and incidental. As is your likely knowledge of the "economy" as referenced in your original post. Perfect? There is no such thing, and referencing it as a standard is a canard and a strawman.
Slow? Only if you approach it with sniffles or some non urgent ailment. By and large if you are properly ill you are treated swifly and with some of the best treatments, conditions and staff anywhere in the world. I have witnessed this many times at first hand, both in acute trauma care of myself and long term cancer treatement for close friends and family
, up to the terminal phase. Earlier this year I visited an old family
friend, a woman in her mid 70s, dying of acute heart failure in the High Dependency Unit of the John Radcliffe hospital in Oxford. Her private room was immense, with (I counted) sixteen syringe drivers, ventilators, the latest monitoring and diagnostic equipment
hung from a massive gantry in the ceiling, the whole absolutely state of the art and latest tech, with a curtained glass wall looking directly onto a nurses station manned 24/7 by numerous staff, whose attentiveness, professionalism and skill is second to none in the world. She was in there for the whole two and a half week period it took her to die. Cost of that to her and her husband? Nothing more than the taxes
My father was treated by the NHS for Mantle Cell Lymphoma. This cancer is (or was at the time) universally deadly. They gave him a 18 months of extremely healthy and fit life, before the inevitable relapse. He survived more than double the usual period for this illness, and his death took place in the ward dedicated to immunocompromised patients, at the Western General Hospital, Edinburgh. They allowed myself and my other close family members essentially to camp in the visitors room, which was pleasant and well equipped. His own surprisingly large private room had an ensuite toilet/shower room, its own fridge and a large window with a beautiful leafy outlook, as well as the most up to date equipment
possible in such an environment
. The staff were impeccable
and their dedication, care, professionalism, and empathy were astonishing to behold. That three month period in that private room at the end of a comprehensively satisfactory two and three quarter year treatment period was at no charge to us or our family, other than the taxes
we have paid and continue so to do.
Your comment that "it is not free" is typical of those who criticise such a socialised system, as if somehow we in the UK are a bunch of ingenues who have not the most basic understanding of economics or finance. I am FULLY AWARE that my taxes go to support the likes of this treatment to other people who I will never meet and about whom I know nothing and I am more than happy with that situation.
It is one of the best things about the UK, and other systems like it. I am no socialist generally, and am rather right wing/libertarian when it comes to many issues. But socialised medical
care for all and with guaranteed universal access
is an absolute good. The insurance
based system has its uses as an adjunct only
but when it becomes the whole healthcare system, then healthcare is subordinated to profit, and a river of money
flows out of the system and is lost
to healthcare entirely, driving up the prices of everything extraordinarily. The US is the only nation excluded from "Worldwide Cover" on most international insurance
policies, for a reason. It is just too expensive. You may or may not realise that we in the UK do not pay absurdly higher taxes than you do in the US. In some cases the opposite, and you still have to finance your own, uncertain healthcare privately and on top of that.
As Tom Waits says: "The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away."
You really don't
know what you are talking about with regard to the UK or other similar systems.