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Old 30-03-2016, 14:24   #1
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Wonder how this will turn out?

Actually I'm perry sure the govt will win, but interesting

2 men take US gov’t ocean science buoy, now want to “sell” it back for $13,000 | Ars Technica

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Old 30-03-2016, 15:17   #2
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Re: Wonder how this will turn out?

Yup, they'll win. There is usually salvage payment that can be claimed but it has to do with the value of the object, the risk to the person who salvaged it and I readily admit I have no clue about that stuff. It seems it was no risk to pick up and the fishing boat did lose a day's pay (maybe) but they could have immediately put it in land or returned it or even NOT picked it up but instead just reported lat/long/drift to the USCG and/or put a transponder on it. Many fishing boats do carry transponders for gear. Dunno. Too many folks looking for those "big payoffs" LOL
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Old 28-04-2016, 14:45   #3
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Wait ... so they're actually going to cash in on this? Crazy.
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Old 29-04-2016, 09:08   #4
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Re: Wonder how this will turn out?

I hope the government gets their research bouy back and the fishermen get some reasonable recompense, like a days operating expenses. I hope daddy, the lawyer, gets audited by the IRS every year for the rest of his life.
Any reasonable mariner would have been happy to return the lost equipment for a "thank you" and a hand shake.
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Old 29-04-2016, 12:39   #5
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I hope the government gets their research bouy back and the fishermen get some reasonable recompense, like a days operating expenses. I hope daddy, the lawyer, gets audited by the IRS every year for the rest of his life.
Any reasonable mariner would have been happy to return the lost equipment for a "thank you" and a hand shake.
So using the full power of the government to retaliate for something you don't agree with seems like the correct thing? While I agree that most would have turned the buoy over for a thank you, it is not a requirement.
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Re: Wonder how this will turn out?

I think the fishermen will lose on this one. This is not salvage. There was no peril involved here. At best, they'll get compensated for a day's operating expense - and that's if the court or government is being nice about it.

These buoys are designed to float free to the surface, send out their homing signal and await recovery by a government vessel (or contracted vessel). The fact that this one broke free prematurely doesn't change that. The homing signal worked and the USCG was able to track it to shore. If these guys had found the thing after it had detached at its intended time and had recovered it, it would clearly not be theirs to keep.

I am also curious as to what sort of markings are on it.
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I think the fishermen will lose on this one. This is not salvage. There was no peril involved here. At best, they'll get compensated for a day's operating expense - and that's if the court or government is being nice about it.

These buoys are designed to float free to the surface, send out their homing signal and await recovery by a government vessel (or contracted vessel). The fact that this one broke free prematurely doesn't change that. The homing signal worked and the USCG was able to track it to shore. If these guys had found the thing after it had detached at its intended time and had recovered it, it would clearly not be theirs to keep.

I am also curious as to what sort of markings are on it.
Look up SalCon-89. Peril is not required.
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Look up SalCon-89. Peril is not required.
First of all, SALCON does not apply to public vessels, warships, non-commercial state-owned vessels etc. A buoy is not a vessel per se, but I doubt SALCON applies to it either.

However, first definition in SALCON-89:

1. Salvage operation means any act or activity undertaken to assist a vessel or any other property in danger in navigable waters or in any other waters whatsoever.

So no, they don't use the term "in peril" but there must be some danger to the piece of property being salvaged. Picking up a buoy designed to float free and be tracked by its owners (the U.S. Government) before retrieval is not in danger of being lost.

I'm not one to take the government's side on most things, but I don't see the case that these fishermen have.
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I am also with gov all over it.
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Definitely I too am with govt.
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