Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

[DeepFrz]

Nah. It's because just about most predicted climate Armageddon's have - surprise, surprise - failed to deliver.

Who has predicted and Armageddon that has failed to appear. Armageddon is a word most likely used in a religious context.

Last time I conducted high school science, observations trumped assumptions. Maybe that has something to do with it?

How do you conduct science? Are you saying that current observations are overriding the assumptions of the deniers?

[Reefmagnet]

Yes.

I'm saying you discount 1998 as a " blip", yet whoa 2015. What happens next year when temps drop. Don't we need 30 years of, Umm, observations to determine change to climate?

Talk about having your cake and eating it too.

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[jackdale]

Originally Posted by Reefmagnet

Nah. It's because just about most predicted climate Armageddon's have - surprise, surprise - failed to deliver.

The only Armagedddon being being predicted is that associated with end-timers who are overwhelming climate science deniers.

Does End Time Belief Really Cause Climate Change Apathy? | Religion Dispatches

[Reefmagnet]

Is it time to start posting doom and gloom links again? Which would you prefer? Sinking islands, wars, earthquakes, hurricanes, droughts, flooding, etc ?

Or would you prefer the sampler pack?

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[jackdale]

Originally Posted by Reefmagnet

Or would you prefer the sampler pack?

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How about some research?

Scientists can now say with confidence whether heat waves, such as the one that struck Russia in 2010 and caused 55,000 deaths, are linked to climate change. But when it comes to storms like Typhoon Haiyan, which battered the Philippines last year, their methods hit a brick wall of uncertainty.

The findings are included in a sweeping report the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine released last week that tries to answer the question often posed after a nasty spell of weather.

Was it triggered by humanity’s carbon emissions?

Answering it can be challenging, not least because the question is badly crafted. All scientists agree that human-caused climate change has fundamentally altered the planet. All weather is caused, to varying degrees, by both nature and climate change.

Heat Waves, Droughts and Heavy Rain Have Clear Links to Climate Change, Says National Academies - Scientific American

[Reefmagnet]

Originally Posted by DeepFrz

Is that because the deniers have no science to back them up?

https://www.theguardian.com/science/...are_btn_fb#_=_

Lol.

Compare to 1951 to 1980 cooling period. Check!
Use a whole heap of emotive words: "stunning", "shocker", "emergency", "dangerous", "worrying" etc. Check!
Pretend little to do with El Nino. Check!
Bleat on about the self imposed 2 deg C limit. Check!
Ignore that just about every month since 1998 has been accused of being the warmest ever compared to previous. It's like this is a total bolt from the blue. Check!

Interestingly, annual co2 ppm has coincidentally increased by around 50% compared to the "norm". Surely some non biased climate scientists are going to test these observations against the "co2 lags temperature" theory because it sure seems that the assumption of increased use of renewal power generation decreasing carbon emissions sure as heck ain't working.

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[Reefmagnet]

Originally Posted by jackdale

How about some research?



Heat Waves, Droughts and Heavy Rain Have Clear Links to Climate Change, Says National Academies - Scientific American

Is it April 1st?

Better go research some devastating flood, drought and hurricane events that occurred during global cooling circa 1951 to 1980.

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[jackdale]

Originally Posted by Reefmagnet

Is it April 1st?

Better go research some devastating flood, drought and hurricane events that occurred during global cooling circa 1951 to 1980.

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Please provide some evidence for this assertion.

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by Reefmagnet

Is it April 1st?

Better go research some devastating flood, drought and hurricane events that occurred during global cooling circa 1951 to 1980.

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Floods

1951-1980 = 5

1980 -2009 = 22

Timeline of Major Floods in World History | Scholastic.com

[SV THIRD DAY]

Originally Posted by jackdale

Please provide some evidence for this assertion.

Why...the MMGW Cultists Don't...

I must just frost the MMGWC that more people agree with me..."frost" get it...

[Reefmagnet]

Originally Posted by jackdale

Floods

1951-1980 = 5

1980 -2009 = 22

Timeline of Major Floods in World History | Scholastic.com

I think you need a better source, there. That one is junk.

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by Reefmagnet

I think you need a better source, there. That one is junk.

Let's see your source and we can compare.

[Reefmagnet]

I'm not the one trying to prove a point, but perhaps compare population distributions, level of reporting in the modern era etc. For example, there were devastating floods in England in the 60's and Australia in the 1950's and 1970's. None mentioned in your source.

[jackdale]

Originally Posted by Reefmagnet

I'm not the one trying to prove a point, but perhaps compare population distributions, level of reporting in the modern era etc. For example, there were devastating floods in England in the 60's and Australia in the 1950's and 1970's. None mentioned in your source.

In fact, you are the the one making the assertion that the period from 1951 to 1980 had as many devastating events as the current decades.

OK - 3 more to add the five. 8 is still less than 22.

You have still not provided a source with which we can compare.

[StuM]

Originally Posted by jackdale

Let's see your source and we can compare.

Earwig Ho again.

Your list is NOT comprehensive and can't be used for comparative time periods. It has far more examples in recent years, but is totally un-representative of the real situation.

Just a few examples:"2008 Venice, Italy. High tidal waters, pushed into the city by strong winds, crest at 155 cm (61 in), well above the 102-cm (40-in) flood stage. It is the fourth-highest flood level since the city started keeping records in 1872. "

But they don't show the three higher ones since 1872.
"2008 India. In the worst monsoon flooding in India in 80 years"

"2009 Turkey. The worst flooding in 80 years occurs after two days of intense rainfall, "

But they don't show either of the worse floods 80 years previously.

"2009 Philippines. Mudslides and the worst flooding in over 60 years"

But they don't show the worse one 60 years ago
They show the 2009 NQ floods, but not this far worse one in the same state:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1893_Brisbane_flood

And here's a few more in the same place that they ignored:
Known Floods in the Brisbane & Bremer River Basin, including the Cities of Brisbane and Ipswich


Oh, and their last one is a tsunami, which is a totally different thing - and no mention of any tsunamis in the earlier timeframe?????