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Old 02-01-2016, 06:08   #931
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Does IPCC AR5 agree with Kenomac's OP? One commenter reviews it and thinks it does...

We have Bigger Problems than Climate Change; So sayeth IPCC AR5 | Watts Up With That?
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

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Does IPCC AR5 agree with Kenomac's OP? One commenter reviews it and thinks it does...

We have Bigger Problems than Climate Change; So sayeth IPCC AR5 | Watts Up With That?
So, the experts and scientists believe that climate change will be an insignificant rounding error 100 years from now as it effects the economy, even assuming up to a 5 degree increase in average global temps. Many high yield warm weather crops will even produce more. I guess we'll soon be eating sweet potato fries at McDonalds instead of potato fries.

That's certainly a change most people can adapt to quite easily.

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"Now let’s ponder for a moment just how small these negative impacts actually are. The IPCC charts rating changes compared to other economic drivers as “less” or “much less” don’t paint the picture very well. Keeping in mind that 2% at two degrees (and that is the upper range in the estimate) is spread over the timeframe that it takes to reach that temperature. Since the target date in the Paris fear festival was 2100, let’s round it off to 100 years for easy figuring.

That’s 0.02% per year. Forecasted economic growth for most countries in the world ranges from -5% to +5% per year. In other words, the IPCC is telling us that the socioeconomic impacts of climate change are less than a rounding error. I’ll end this article by quoting the initial statement from the IPCC again. The public and government alike have a lot more to worry about than climate change:

For most economic sectors, the impact of climate change will be small relative to the impacts of other drivers"
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Jack,

Please answer this question:

Do you actually believe that the entire city of Calgary municipal government facilities and services would continue to function on a calm, snowy day... operating entirely off a wind, solar energy grid? 100 percent green... no contribution from a gas or coal fired electrical generating plant.

This is what you're claiming, do you really believe this?

Where is the green energy stored for nighttime use or for when the bird killer turbines stop killing and the sun is blocked by clouds? In mammoth sized batteries hidden away under a secret rainbow?

Remember Jack, I know how solar works and the scams the greenies try to put over on us scientifically challenged knuckleheads. We personally bought into the inefficient solar scam 10 years ago to the tune of $78,000 for my home and business. I only need to walk down my stairs into the basement to read my solar production meter.

Tonight it reads a big fat zero.
You are asking question in able to prove you point. Why do you not prove it with evidence?

I made this assertion

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Our local light rail transit system uses wind power for its electricity.
for which I was taken to task. I provided evidence that in support of that assertion.

You are questioning that assertion, but providing precious little to counter that assertion, other than personal anecdotes.

BTW - What does Bow Valley Power have to do with Enmax (the city owned power company) other than using Enmax transmission lines.

Enmax uses natural gas and wind generation to generate its power.
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You are asking question in able to prove you point. Why do you not prove it with evidence?...
BTW - What does Bow Valley Power have to do with Enmax (the city owned power company) other than using Enmax transmission lines.

Enmax uses natural gas and wind generation to generate its power.
Jack, I think you may have answered your own question.
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Jack, I think you may have answered your own question.
They are using it a transitional fuel away from coal.

I do not expect instant easy solutions.

The LRT system is still based on renewable energy.
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They are using it a transitional fuel away from coal.

I do not expect instant easy solutions.

The LRT system is still based on renewable energy.
You didn't answer my question.

Your power company actually uses natural gas to power the trains.... not wind. Tricky accounting doesn't make it so... no matter how much some wish it to be.

The gas fired furnace will continue to burn 24/7/365 for the next 100 years up there in Calgary, this much is certain. The bird killer windmills will possibly help out a bit on winds days... But in the end, they will barely be able to produce enough electrical power to justify their own expense.
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They are using it a transitional fuel away from coal.

I do not expect instant easy solutions.

The LRT system is still based on renewable energy.
None so blind as those that will not see.

Please just answer this one question: How do they separate that renewal energy from the other 70% of coal and gas generated electrons on the grid?
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None so blind as those that will not see.

Please just answer this one question: How do they separate that renewal energy from the other 70% of coal and gas generated electrons on the grid?
They can't. For every green kilowatt introduced, one dirty one is removed.

Alberta used generate close to 100% of its electricity from coal. Even with governments that were not exactly climate friendly we have been moving away from coal. Our new governments, federally and provincially, committed to stronger action.
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

In a nearby town of Newburyport, there's a giant windmill right smack near the middle of the town standing still most of the time due to lack of wind. The community was sold on having the enormous bird killing eyesore thinking it would supply most of the local electrical power. Most locals have probably checked off on their electrical bills that they want to pay a little extra to know that their power comes from wind and solar. They fall for the accounting fraud and pay more.

In reality, 99 percent of their electricity is generated by burning trash and the Seabrook nuclear facility, yet most locals believe it comes from the windmill.... Which remains idle most of the time.

The fraud continues....
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

BTW: Why do environmentalists embrace a technology (wind power) which kills wildlife?

Seems kind of..... Hypocritical.
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BTW: Why do environmentalists embrace a technology (wind power) which kills wildlife?

Seems kind of..... Hypocritical.
If you are that concerned about birds, start with cats. They kill billions of them a year.

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/...irds-each-year
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You didn't answer my question.
But I did.

Now you answer this one

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You are asking questions in some feeble attempt prove you point. Why do you not prove it with evidence?
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...While the CTrain is still 100 per cent powered by wind...

Apology accepted.

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They are using it a transitional fuel away from coal.

I do not expect instant easy solutions.

The LRT system is still based on renewable energy.
Jack, 100 percent powered and "based on" are not the same thing, but a disingenuous attempt to avoid the apology that needs to be "returned" (but was never needed and never offered).

Another example of how distortions by AGW promoters get tangled in their own half truths, which puts their credibility in the tank. This is also another example of how they buy any and all spin by those who adhere to the same belief system but absolutely refuse to say those small words that distinguish an open mind from a closed one when the evidence is so clear..."My statement was wrong." or "I was wrong."

Try it. It frees the soul...
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Here's the facts about Calgary's LRT power:

LRT power supposedly comes from the Castle River wind farm:
City's LRT first in North America to be wind-driven - Canada - CBC News


Castle River operates on Vesta 47 turbines
(Castle River | TransAlta Renewables)

Vesta V47 turbines have a cut in speed of 4 m/s
Vestas V 47 - 660,0 kW - Turbine

Winds for Castle River for the next two days are forecast for 1 - 3 m/s
http://www.yr.no/place/Canada/Alberta/Castle_River/

In other words, there will be NO wind power to operate the Calgary LRT for the next 2 days.

Will the LRT shut down? If not, where will the power come from?
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1. None so blind as those that will not see.
2. Please just answer this one question: How do they separate that renewal energy from the other 70% of coal and gas generated electrons on the grid?
1. Indeed!

2. The LRT does not run on electrons delivered straight from wind turbines. Instead, it’s connected to the standard electricity grid. But while that grid is still dominated by natural gas and coal, Calgary’s 2001 investment meant 12 wind turbines were erected, providing 21,000 megawatt-hours of wind power a year, the amount of electricity that the LRT uses.

Then in 2012, Calgary went all-in on renewable energy, purchasing 100 per cent renewable power for all of the city’s operations. This investment meant two wind farms got built, totaling 144 megawatts of installed wind capacity.

While the CTrain is still 100 per cent powered by wind, the city’s other operations use a mix of renewable energies: wind, hydro, biomass and solar power. The power purchase agreement totals 450,000 megawatt-hours a year or the equivalent power demand of over 65,000 Calgary homes.
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