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Old 23-05-2016, 15:51   #5176
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

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Just for the sake of scientific integrity, How many proponents for Global warming are NOT Christians?

Im sure I can make a chart out of the statistics....
By "proponents for Global warming" do you mean people who are in favour of it?

I am all for Global warming especially if it accompanied by increased atmospheric CO2 - more plant food and higher minimum temperatures in mid latitudes sounds pretty good to me. Sure beats a return to LIA conditions.

I am not Christian.
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Well......... hate to burst yer theory but a Christian should not be worried about Global warming and the earths future....

Statistically, that means that most GW persona are not Christians... or at least that is a postulated premise to explore with data.

On the other hand, there is enough postulation going without adding to it...
here ya go. This is what I was suggesting last week. A great deal of the conspiracists and especially conservative side of politics who reject the science are from the church and they have a very fundamentalist view of the end times, which they believe is coming tomorrow.
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By "proponents for Global warming" do you mean people who are in favour of it?

I am all for Global warming especially if it accompanied by increased atmospheric CO2 - more plant food and higher minimum temperatures in mid latitudes sounds pretty good to me. Sure beats a return to LIA conditions.

I am not Christian.
we already knew that, your just a 'very naughty boy'
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Ah....well...
You may want to talk to the Pope.
Last time I checked he does consider himself a Christian and is a MMGW Believer.
The cognitive dissonance is strong in this one, Obi!

An omnipotent, benevolent being is allowing its most important creations to destroy themselves and everything else by using the resources it provided them with?

(Maybe this will finally get the thread shut down )

Edit: And for Jack - I know that a preposition is not a good thing to end a sentence with!
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here ya go. This is what I was suggesting last week. A great deal of the conspiracists and especially conservative side of politics who reject the science are from the church and they have a very fundamentalist view of the end times, which they believe is coming tomorrow.
Tomorrow??!!!
But........ Im looking at a catamaran in 2 days.....!!!

NOOOOOooooo!!!!
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Nah.

Im fascinated by the political/religious divide...

But ultimately, politics seems to decide what the data means in terms of fines and fees..
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I am all for Global warming especially if it accompanied by increased atmospheric CO2 - more plant food
Very funny.

N, P, and K are also plant food. Dump a whole whack of that on your lawn and watch what happens.

Increased CO2 in open environments leads to:

1) Increased predation by pests
doi: 10.1073/pnas.0800568105

2) Compromised nutritional value in food crops
doi:10.1038/nature13179

Our food crops evolved and were domesticated in much lower CO2 levels.
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Meanwhile back in Chile...

El Ni˝o has seen the Humbolt go bugger orf, lower than normal oxygen in local waters, higher than normal sea temps, all the farmed salmon have died as they couldn't relocate... being in cages and all. Add to that a good healthy attack of Marea Roja ( Red Tide to you lot ) has got into all the shellfish.

So aquaculture... major employer hereabouts ... is stuffed for the foreseeable.

The locals - on Isla Chiloe especially - have blamed it all on central guvment and have done a pretty good job of showing their displeasure... mainly by burning tyres.....
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The cognitive dissonance is strong in this one, Obi!

An omnipotent, benevolent being is allowing its most important creations to destroy themselves and everything else by using the resources it provided them with?

(Maybe this will finally get the thread shut down )

Edit: And for Jack - I know that a preposition is not a good thing to end a sentence with!
The universe is a simulation and the earth has viruses. Unfortunately it going to have to be deleted at some stage. Some parts will be copy and pasted, some will not.
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Honestly kids, this whole discussion has become completely stupid. Look closely at what you wrote! I bet you would ashamed of yourself if that would be a a real debate where you would see eye to eye. (Or maybe not, and that represents who you really are?)

This is not even funny anymore. It's like Kindergarten, you ran out of arguments but instead of agreeing to disagree this has turned to a competition to find out who is the biggest ▄berbully.

But as I said earlier it says a lot of the posters character and would keep generations of psychology students busy.
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Honestly kids, this whole discussion has become completely stupid. Look closely at what you wrote! I bet you would ashamed of yourself if that would be a a real debate where you would see eye to eye. (Or maybe not, and that represents who you really are?)

This is not even funny anymore. It's like Kindergarten, you ran out of arguments but instead of agreeing to disagree this has turned to a competition to find out who is the biggest ▄berbully.

But as I said earlier it says a lot of the posters character and would keep generations of psychology students busy.
346 posts and you think it's only turned stupid now

It's entertaining NOW!
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The cognitive dissonance is strong in this one, Obi!

An omnipotent, benevolent being is allowing its most important creations to destroy themselves and everything else by using the resources it provided them with?

(Maybe this will finally get the thread shut down )

Edit: And for Jack - I know that a preposition is not a good thing to end a sentence with!
I think the Mod's decided to turn a blind eye to this thread ages ago. In what other threads are there, put downs, insults, accusations, sexism, politics, religion. it's quite entertaining really in a kindergarten sort of way
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Here is some more critique of Lomborg's previous work (in this case a book he wrote)



It makes total sense why Delfin likes him so much.
I see. So when you said that you had reviewed "studies" that was another falsehood, since what you have referenced are news reports, and news reports that don't pertain at all to the Lomborg paper that proves that no matter how much money warmists throw at this problem, the outcome will be essentially zero on global temps, and which was what you were ostensibly refuting.

So again, where are the studies that challenge Lomborg's peer reviewed paper? If they don't exist and you just made it up, fine. If you meant that you can find warmists who don't like Lomborg because he thinks that CO2 fertilization will continue to benefit the planet and you want to use that as a red herring rather than addressing the main point of how little meeting the Paris Accords will accomplish, that is fine with me as well. Just trying to clear up what point you are trying to make, other than fill the room with smoke.
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Have we covered MMGW beliefs based on race yet?

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Honestly kids, this whole discussion has become completely stupid. Look closely at what you wrote! I bet you would ashamed of yourself if that would be a a real debate where you would see eye to eye. (Or maybe not, and that represents who you really are?)

This is not even funny anymore. It's like Kindergarten, you ran out of arguments but instead of agreeing to disagree this has turned to a competition to find out who is the biggest ▄berbully.

But as I said earlier it says a lot of the posters character and would keep generations of psychology students busy.
Well perhaps. But if people like Lomborg are correct, and his argument is unrefuted, then we will be spending enough money chasing snipes that could have been spent doing something useful like, oh I don't know, feeding starving people. If you believe that pointing out how morally bankrupt that is should be viewed as juvenile, then I guess I don't know what to say.

But you are a competent mathematician, so divide 30 trillion by the 10 million children and adults who die of starvation each and every year and that is how much money would be available per person to keep them fed. Think you can feed someone for 70 years for $3 million each? I bet you could. Or, you could spend it reducing global temps by 1/5th of a degree.

I guess I just don't see this question as being as silly as you do.
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