Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 16-05-2016, 14:46   #4711
Marine Service Provider
 
SV THIRD DAY's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: La Paz, Mexico
Boat: 1978 Hudson Force 50 Ketch
Posts: 3,653
Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

If both Trump and Clinton are frozen in said sheet of ice...absolutely we would be better off.
__________________

__________________
SV THIRD DAY is offline  
Old 16-05-2016, 14:55   #4712
Registered User
 
Reefmagnet's Avatar

Join Date: May 2008
Location: puɐןsuǝǝnb 'ʎɐʞɔɐɯ
Boat: Nantucket Island 33
Posts: 2,737
Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

We'll that's the irony. If greenhouse gasses caused global cooling, a lot more of us would be onboard the 97% train. Because cooling would be like a huge problem with historically proven negatve consequences.

Sent from my SGP521 using Cruisers Sailing Forum mobile app
__________________

__________________
Reefmagnet is offline  
Old 16-05-2016, 15:21   #4713
Registered User

Join Date: May 2011
Location: Toronto
Boat: Sandpiper 565
Posts: 2,943
Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Quote:
Originally Posted by Exile View Post
{ a whole bunch of crap }
Coward. AGW denier, to boot, despite your fluffy words. You just can't keep the skeptic facade up. Fine. It's your right.

If ad hominems truly signal defeat, you've just run up the white flag. Message understood.
__________________
Lake-Effect is offline  
Old 16-05-2016, 15:24   #4714
Marine Service Provider
 
SV THIRD DAY's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: La Paz, Mexico
Boat: 1978 Hudson Force 50 Ketch
Posts: 3,653
Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lake-Effect View Post
Coward. AGW denier, to boot, despite your fluffy words. You just can't keep the skeptic facade up. Fine. It's your right.
Talk about hate....
But then again that is pretty typical of the MMGW Cultist
__________________
Rich Boren Goodbye Morro Bay...Hello La Paz, Mexico and the owner of:
Cruise RO Water High Output Water
Technautic CoolBlue Refrigeration
SV THIRD DAY is offline  
Old 16-05-2016, 15:36   #4715
Registered User

Join Date: May 2011
Location: Toronto
Boat: Sandpiper 565
Posts: 2,943
Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Quote:
Originally Posted by SV THIRD DAY View Post
Talk about hate....
But then again that is pretty typical of the MMGW Cultist
Wow. Speaking of hate, did you miss Exile's post? I hope he didn't pull anything, or completely empty his spleen.
__________________
Lake-Effect is offline  
Old 16-05-2016, 15:39   #4716
Marine Service Provider
 
SV THIRD DAY's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: La Paz, Mexico
Boat: 1978 Hudson Force 50 Ketch
Posts: 3,653
Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Probably missed it while ripping up my teak deck...but I am apposed to nastiness from either side on an issue that no matter what we believe will go nowhere..why...because even if the problem is real, it costs too much to fix. We can't even fix our national debt that will crush the USA WAY before any affects of CO2 will. So the entire issue is a waste of time...right or wrong.
__________________
Rich Boren Goodbye Morro Bay...Hello La Paz, Mexico and the owner of:
Cruise RO Water High Output Water
Technautic CoolBlue Refrigeration
SV THIRD DAY is offline  
Old 16-05-2016, 16:32   #4717
Registered User
 
Exile's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Land of Disenchantment
Boat: Bristol 47.7
Posts: 2,964
Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Quote:
Originally Posted by SV THIRD DAY View Post
If both Trump and Clinton are frozen in said sheet of ice...absolutely we would be better off.
No doubt. It sounds like you also don't appreciate a choice btwn. a profoundly dishonest liberal candidate from NYC who's running as a Republican, and a profoundly dishonest liberal candidate from NYC who's running as a Democrat.

Whodathunk?
__________________
Exile is online now  
Old 16-05-2016, 16:35   #4718
Registered User
 
Exile's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Land of Disenchantment
Boat: Bristol 47.7
Posts: 2,964
Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lake-Effect View Post
Wow. Speaking of hate, did you miss Exile's post? I hope he didn't pull anything, or completely empty his spleen.
I thought you preferred my more "soothing" touch? Just wait 'til Delfin gets back.
__________________
Exile is online now  
Old 16-05-2016, 16:36   #4719
Marine Service Provider
 
SV THIRD DAY's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: La Paz, Mexico
Boat: 1978 Hudson Force 50 Ketch
Posts: 3,653
Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

My problem is I have principals that don't just flap in the wind and go Ra..Ra..go team. If both candidates are boobs, then it is in the best interest of the Republic to stand up and say it...not to just vote for my team and wave the flag. It was driven home to me when my daughter registered to vote for the first time and asked me who I was voting for. Now she knows I'm a Mark Levin style Constitutional Conservative, so how could I look her in the eye and say I'm violating my principals and voting for either El Trumpo or HiLiary? I just can't do it....

It sucks sometimes having principals...but at the end of the day that is all you really have.
__________________
Rich Boren Goodbye Morro Bay...Hello La Paz, Mexico and the owner of:
Cruise RO Water High Output Water
Technautic CoolBlue Refrigeration
SV THIRD DAY is offline  
Old 16-05-2016, 17:08   #4720
Registered User

Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Lake Belton, TX, USA, Earth: 3rd rock from the Sun
Boat: Vagabond 14
Posts: 422
Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Quote:
Originally Posted by iyamwhatiyam View Post
I think we can simplify this debate by asking the question; "Would we all be better off if NYC was covered by a sheet of ice?"
NYC... debatable.

Washington DC... We'd be much better off if it was under 200 ft of ice.
__________________
TurninTurtle is offline  
Old 16-05-2016, 17:50   #4721
Marine service provider
 
newhaul's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: puget sound washington
Boat: 1968 Islander bahama 24 hull 182, 1963 columbia 29 defender. hull # 60
Posts: 4,022
Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Quote:
Originally Posted by iyamwhatiyam View Post
I think we can simplify this debate by asking the question; "Would we all be better off if NYC was covered by a sheet of ice?"
Well it would seem to solve some of the war mists problem with to many people on the planet. Becides would anyone actually miss NYC?
__________________
newhaul is online now  
Old 16-05-2016, 18:16   #4722
Senior Cruiser
 
StuM's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Port Moresby,Papua New Guinea
Boat: FP Belize Maestro 43
Posts: 6,713
Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lake-Effect View Post
Well, you can, actually. Apply decadal or multidecadal smoothing to the annual data and tell us what you see then.

(decadal smoothing doesn't hide trends that play out over several decades or more)
I'll leave that pointless exercise to you.

Proxy data always have lower resolution than instrumental data. The Earth is a big low-pass filter and whenever you apply a low-pass filter, you attenuate amplitude. Disregard of this very basic bit of signal processing theory is the foundation of most hockey sticks.



__________________
StuM is online now  
Old 16-05-2016, 18:22   #4723
Senior Cruiser
 
StuM's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Port Moresby,Papua New Guinea
Boat: FP Belize Maestro 43
Posts: 6,713
Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Quote:
Originally Posted by newhaul View Post
Looking at the unsmoothed tel,s much more about the real world. Looks like we are almost as warm as around 400 ad ( the roman warm period ). And if you look at the historical we will soon experience a rather sharp decrease in global temps. The record for the mwp looks the same insofar as it shows a temperature spike warmer than today closely followed by a sharp drop in mean temps. ( I don't believe in coincidence) .
Actually, we can't tell that. The resolution of 1600 or 1000 year old proxies means that we only know the average temperature then over a longer period. You can't tell how high or low individual years were back then.

You would need to compare that "peak" with the average of say the last 30 years, not the current temperature to make a valid comparison.

And I'd also like to see the error bars on those lines
__________________
StuM is online now  
Old 16-05-2016, 19:02   #4724
Registered User

Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Sneads Ferry, NC
Boat: Tartan 34c Yawl, 1974 hull #318
Posts: 35
Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Well, having spent the last 20 minutes or so scrolling through this discussion, I have to say, with respect for all of you, that no amount of denial will make a problem go away. Here's the real issue, in my opinion...
Public policy is directly related to public opinion. If you want to drive your cars, burn your diesel motor, order stuff from ebay and enjoy avocados shipped from Mexico in the dead of winter... You are contributing to the problem. You vote with your dollars spent, not your ballot at election time. All of the bills passed by our government won't do **** without action from the masses.
Hey, don't assume that I am finger wagging over here - I too am plenty guilty. I love avocados...
I'm not going to put a bunch of energy into arguing whether or not climate change is real. I know the facts, and I base my opinions upon science alone.
But, we all know that the real debate is not over the science. It's over the politics.
My former chemistry lab professor at a small community college in VA and I got into this debate, in the middle of class. He is quite politically conservative. Despite all of the data and an overwhelming consensus in the scientific community as a whole, he still stands by the argument that we wee little humans couldn't possibly cause the planet to change. Any data to back it up? Nope. Anything besides political bias? Nope...
It's all politics, let's not kid ourselves.
__________________
CamWrenRoo is offline  
Old 16-05-2016, 19:04   #4725
Registered User
 
Delfin's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Anacortes, WA
Boat: 55' Romsdal
Posts: 1,390
Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lake-Effect View Post
That's a valid point.

Also consider:
  • "AGW is a scam" If AGW is used for the purpose of increasing taxes, regulations and the size of government by leftists, then yes, it is a scam. Since all those trillions to be spent will produce no effect, then the scam nature of the concept is confirmed. You can't actually buy the Golden Gate Bridge from the guy on the street because that is a scam. You can't actually impact projected warming by spending trillions, so that is also a scam. Get it?
  • "there's no consensus" That's true. There is no consensus. The fact that you think there is is immaterial, but it is clearly a falsehood that has been debunked many times.
  • scientists are fudging their results. Climategate! If Climategate were the only instance of scientists fudging results it might be different, but there are many such examples, so this is also a true statment.
  • climate scientists are just going along for the grants Well duh. Of course they are. They have to make a living and feed their families just like people with other jobs. McDonald's employees will tell you Big Macs are good for you. Climate scientists will tell you that we're all going to die if they don't get more money for research. Same difference.
  • NOAA, NASA, [insert any science organization/institution here] - they're all in on the scam Not necessarily, although since they all depend on government funding, and since the AGW scam is mostly about increasing government funding, only a fool would think there was no connection between the tendency of such agencies to support the meme and the fact that lots of money has been available to those entities that are yelling that the sky is falling the loudest.
  • any western government that backs IPCC is in on the scam Again, not necessarily, but quite naturally governments like to find reasons to increase their power and funding. World ending crises are just the thing, true or not.

How do you imagine that is affecting climate science? Well reality is good for any scientific discipline. The fact that warmist Kool-Aid drinkers like you insist on maintaining scientific ignorance and the relentless use of ad hominems in lieu of a coherent argument has done far more damage to climate science than anything any skeptic has ever done.

You ARE an AGW denier, based on your past posts. If that rankles you, it should. However if you'd like to clearly restate your stance regarding whether human activity is contributing significant additional amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere AND whether or not this additional CO2 is causing warming, I would be happy to reconsider.
Ok, fine. You want to continue to use an obvious lie it's fine with me. I suspected you had no interest in truth, so your using an obvious falsehood simply confirms that suspicion. Big surprise.
__________________

__________________
http://delfin.talkspot.com
When stupidity is a sufficient explanation, there is no need to appeal to another cause.
- Ulmann's Razor
Delfin is offline  
Closed Thread

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Cruising and the Coming Storm ~ Recession, Depression, Climate Change, Peak Oil jtbsail Off Topic Forum 162 13-10-2015 13:17
Weather Patterns / Climate Change anjou Off Topic Forum 185 19-01-2010 15:08
Climate Change GordMay Off Topic Forum 445 02-09-2008 08:48
Healthiest coral reefs hardest hit by climate change GordMay Off Topic Forum 33 11-05-2007 03:07



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 21:43.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.