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Old 20-12-2015, 08:33   #31
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The fact is that the climate change that we are experiencing is being caused by CO2 and other greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere that are a direct result of industrialization and the burning of coal and other fossil fuels.
The Earth is not burning fossil fuels. Humans are.
Not being able to see and acknowledge this fact is denial of the highest order.
The amount of CO2 that we are pumping into the atmosphere is simply too much to be assimilated naturally by the ecosystem.
If you run a hose from the exhaust pipe of your car into the cabin and close the windows bad things happen. In very simple terms we are doing the same thing with this planet on a grand scale.
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“If humanity wishes to preserve a planet similar to that on which civilization developed and to which life on Earth is adapted, paleoclimate evidence and ongoing climate change suggest that CO2 will need to be reduced from [current levels] to at most 350 ppm.”
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Zee,
The fact is that the climate change that we are experiencing is being caused by CO2 and other greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere that are a direct result of industrialization and the burning of coal and other fossil fuels.
The Earth is not burning fossil fuels. Humans are.
Not being able to see and acknowledge this fact is denial of the highest order.
The amount of CO2 that we are pumping into the atmosphere is simply too much to be assimilated naturally by the ecosystem.
If you run a hose from the exhaust pipe of your car into the cabin and close the windows bad things happen. In very simple terms we are doing the same thing with this planet on a grand scale.
You know the average atmospheric CO2 across the phanerozoic is around 2000 to 2500 ppm?
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Zee,
The amount of CO2 that we are pumping into the atmosphere is simply too much to be assimilated naturally by the ecosystem.
If you run a hose from the exhaust pipe of your car into the cabin and close the windows bad things happen. In very simple terms we are doing the same thing with this planet on a grand scale.
Liam,

The bad stuff your car produces and sends through your hose is actually carbon monoxide. CO not CO2.

Plants love CO2. In fact... they gobble it up and via photosynthesis and to make the oxygen that us humans need.

"Not being able to see and acknowledge this fact is denial of the highest order."
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shark population decline-- donot eat shark fin soup, then. let em grow.
bird population dee cline--- feed your cat better. \
trash in ocean-- pick up after self and others.
change in climate?? is not caused by people. planetary change is planteary change.
clean up your personal mess, donot mess with mother nature and live clean as possible.
donot encourage a govt to uselessly tax you for the changes planets undergo as they mature some. ours is a teenager, and you know teens are behavior problems. that does NOT mean this is any kind pf political issue or reason for another bureaucratic branch of govt to suck your wallets dry for no reason other than legislative padding of personal golden money clips.
do you climate activists truly believe that govt intervention in planetary change is going to yield anything other than more oppression of the lower income overtaxed folks already suffering to feed families??
or that it will change ANYTHING about the planetary changes??
exactly WHAT do you expect to gain and have occur with the planetary change, aka climate change protestations and govt intervention of same??
do you expect the govt to be able to restore the planet to former status, like before big oil crapped the scenery with tankers leaking?? oh planet also chips in on this part, if you hadnt studied enough to read that info, or been paying attention... crust leaks. omygods mebbe we should pass a law to prevent that.
realistically speaking, this is what you climate change activists are essentially saying--earth crust leaks. it is fault. but it is fault of human beings for being here; lets tax the ***** out of em some more for no reason under sun. oh yes-- tax for use of sun. use of air. use of water. donot forget to compute the amount of air, water, soil, sun, and moon, each individual uses and tax on that also. and, as human beings have no right to water(it all belngs to nestle), make sure corporations are still alive and counted as both corporations for the bennies and as individuals for those bennies also, so they can survive any financial assault to the denigration of existing human beings.
so many climate changes..
mebbe y'all think there are too many human beings using all the air and soil and water and sun and moon. who ye gonna kill off to spare the resources???
do you truly think an dbelieve that in 20 yrs ther ewillbe a major change in planet?? mebbe all the humans will die off in those 20 years. doubt it. we wont even have gills by then.might have an elevated water line on land-- would not hurt anything..might even help. mebbe folks willhave learned not to mess with mother nature(miracle) or not to mess with disabled folks who have difficulty typoing....rodlmffao.. y'all LOVE to mess with folks, but CANnot repair selves...

doubtful any serious changes will be visible in that short eyewink of nature, even 100yrs. mebbe deeper water inland some, mebbe some shoreline changes as water rises.(that part has been a known and given since before 1958.) scientists say 2025 should give us less shoreline. (am ready, have been since 1958, when i first read about the changes coming).
perhaps within the next 100 years, folks wont leave their trash blatantly in their wakes.
pumping co2 into air--that is what trees were for. forgetting about the reasons stuff is put here is part of problem. burning rain forests for housing is ridiculous, and has been ongoing many decades. trees use co2. all vegetation does. instead of taxation, perhaps vegetation. baj automobiles. ban cooling fans and air conditioners and ban the eating of foods. ban vegetarianism, which is a consumer of C02 consuming products.
only allow eating of meat, as meat is obtained from methane producing creatures. they eat green things, therefore must die.
get reeal. what ye gonna do to the pacific rim volcanoes which are more active now than we have known in past?? they produce more C02 than humans ever thought of producing--ye gonna tax em??mebbe they will cease and desist their threat to humans if taxed beyond capabilities. mebbe they wont spew somuch carbon dioxide into air if taxed beyond abilities. ye think??
this all makes as much sense as the spew on carbon bs. look to mother nature for her own cure. think on sensibilities to solve nonsensical problems, such as planteary climate change. planets change. big deal. oh yes as for nonsense spewed--what about north carolinas ban on solar power, as it sucks the suns energy out. highly believable well educated sensible souls ....lawmakers.
so we gonna go with the solutions found by these same folks as far as determining the alleged actual pin pointable cause of our plantes desire tpo change climate?? this hasbeen coming since way before we were even considered to be born. yet it is all our fault.. i am laughing soo hard.
what ye gonna do about san andreas fault?? tax those residing on that fault so it wont move???
tax volcanoes, tax faultlines and folks residing thereon. tax ocean use. tax all for what purpiose??? what is to gain by this ruckus??nothing at all. just noise and higher taxation and eyes open to see whan the changes will occur, measuring for same, and for naught.
ye think anyone will be aware and pick up after selves merely because someoe decides to tax the crap outta them?? hell they wont be able to buy foods in wrappers, so that is ruled out. many already do not use foods in wrappers.
plant more trees, a lotmore simple than thought. cease and desist the desreuction of rain forests. live simple


common sense is a rare process. is a damnshame not all possess this. chicken little surely did not possess it, nor is it encouraged by education systems within usa. in fact, it has been DIScouraged from development by our alleged educational system.
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Here's an interesting article on the subject of Climate Change and Global Warming, and why all the talk and worry won't matter in 20 years... and will matter even less in 100 years.

Climate Change Predictions
what? One climate change thread isn't enough?

That article ... was simply a smug, sneery excuse for continued inaction (and uninterrupted profiteering. Who do you think read the National Review, anyway?). Members of this same set were praising Hitler in the 30s. A proud, proud moment.

The central conceit, the mocking equivalence made between horse manure and CO2, is of course bogus. Even in 1900, they were able to ascertain that there was no risk ever of drastically altering the planet with... horse manure.

The tut-tut don't trouble yourself reassurance that the Bright People will Fix This Like They Always Do ... well, the bright people have spoken. But we don't like the message so it must be wrong.

The article also doesn't acknowledge that for the Bright People to get on with the business of Fixing Things, the readership of the NR may just have to raise their over-upholstered asses up from their over-upholstered chairs and actually help.

The fusion reactor won't be invented by two college kids in their garage, btw. It requires investment (that's a hint, plutocrats). The dead giveaway here is the following:

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Of course, ITER might not work. The German reactor might not work either. But the advance of science is inevitable — fusion reactors will work, one day, and I’d bet sooner rather than later. (I’d like to see an American president stand up and say: This nation should commit itself to achieving the goal, before the next decade is out, of sustaining a fusion reaction and getting energy out of it.)
Translation: c'mon future, but I'm not gonna pay for it. Let the proles pay. Don't tax me bro.

This is all you need to know about the opposition to actually doing something about climate change.
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Nuclear Fusion is certainly the fundamental source of energy in the universe; but the big problem with fusion is confinement.
We know that the Sun generates its energy from nuclear fusion, but in this case, the Sun's huge mass and the force of its gravity are the confining mechanisms.
However, I agree that spending on energy research & development is abysmal feeble.

For instance ➥ A sick graph - Iraq war spending vs. spending on renewable energy - Solar Power Rocks

On which fusion program are you working, Dan?
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What if 99% of your climate scientists are revealed to be the sheep?
Don't stop there. Go all in. When we disagree, 100% of scientists must be wrong!
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Climate Change Predictions
I'm surprised that you aligned yourself with that moron, WF Buckley's altra right wing. In the 50's and on he was considered a right extremist. Interesting when you consider how we use the word extremist to describe factions of today.
It doesn't matter what either political party in the US thinks. The other side will simply disagree. The citizens simply and blindly follow the views of their political leaders being correct ot incorrect. I know this is a generalization but generally true.
Climate change deniers are in an infinitesimal group of people. For your article you posted, there are probably a 100 to 1 ratio, intelligent and factual information on the effects of climate change, written by people of science.
There will always be folks here who nonchalantly post something that align a view to suit their own.
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Nobody really disputes that it is occurring. The disputes are centred on whether and to what degree it is mediated by human activity.
Weeeelllll, actually, not very many years ago... quite alot were disputing that it was actually occurring. Flat out denial (hence the name).

But being called deniers hurt their feelings, and the more sensible have realized that yes, something is occurring, and most have walked back their position. They want to be called doubters now. As the truth reveals itself... they will walk it back some more.

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I also believe that it is, as Delancey has been trying to point out, very far from the most pressing environmental issue we currently face
We might disagree on how important CO2 is in the whole scheme, but I absolutely agree that there are pressing problems to address.

So, why are we not working faster with the fixes? It's for the same reason there's organized opposition to AGW. Nobody wants to cough up.
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You know the average atmospheric CO2 across the phanerozoic is around 2000 to 2500 ppm?
Yes. That period began over 500 million years ago. The earth was a very different place at that time. There were life forms that existed then that could tolerate such conditions. (life is found today in deep ocean volcanic vents).
Humans have existed in a very small window of the phanerozoic era (the last 2 million years or less). Humans developed during a time when CO2 had dropped to very low levels (below 300 PPM).
Although the most intellegent (and that is debatable) of the life forms that have lived on this planet, humans are by far one of the more fragile.
So, you may be correct about average CO2 during this era. However you are talking about an average over a half a billion year time frame 99.5% of which could not have supported human life.
CO2 levels have remained constant on average at 250PPM levels during man's 2 million years on the planet with dramatic increases found in the last 100 years to a present level around 400PPM.
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the lil man has yet to be taxed for it, is exactly why.
the govt merely needs to find an excuse to tax our usages of air and sun and moon and co2 use and such..is taxation on breathing. want that?? you are actually requesting that be done.
i hope i am dead before your govt intervention begins.
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the lil man has yet to be taxed for it, is exactly why.
the govt merely needs to find an excuse to tax our usages of air and sun and moon and co2 use and such..is taxation on breathing. want that?? you are actually requesting that be done.
i hope i am dead before your govt intervention begins.
Well yes, there are many reasons that we know what's happening and still refuse to do anything about it. No offense intended, but hoping for death before it all becomes too unbearable is the ultimate avoidance/denial tactic.
Heaven forbid that we should be expected to pay to clean up OUR mess.
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Who do you think read the National Review, anyway?). Members of this same set were praising Hitler in the 30s. A proud, proud moment.
I didn't know Joseph Kennedy Sr. read National Review?
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The reason it won't matter in 20 years can be seen by this summary of a meta study on the calculations for climate sensitivity over time:



The term climate sensitivity is defined by the IPCC as the impact of a doubling of atmospheric CO2 on average global temps. This value has been steadily declining for some time and the trend line remains down, simply meaning that the measured impact of CO2 enrichment in an actual environment as opposed to the innards of a computer model is becoming smaller and smaller. If this continues for a few more years, the entire AGW theory falls into the same territory as the bad air causes disease theory.
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