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Old 10-05-2016, 08:27   #4306
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Actually your quotes are even more compelling. It's "unfortunate" the model was wrong. His "instinct" is that temps will rise 2C anyway. Other scientists may have a different "instinct". So we should reduce fossil fuel use because it's a good idea anyway. That kind of non-scientific babble is what makes some people's heads explode.
One scientist, out of the thousands in the field, speaking extemporaneously... is not the full picture. But of course deniers (and the media) are furiously mining for such nuggets with the express goal of exploding the uneducated head. We've shown clearly waay back in the thread how much of that is going on, and how inconsequential, overblown, or outright dishonest most of that quote-mining really is.

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The ocean acting as a heat sink is not that complex and it should be quantifiable. They simply didn't get it right for some reason. And one has to wonder how any "scientist" could fail to accurately model 75% of the world's surface which has a heat storage capacity 4,000 times that of air at sea level. That's a massive miscalculation.
It's hugely complex. The ocean is more than a surface, btw. And dynamic.

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I am concerned about climate change. But the scientists and politicians that are managing the science and the messaging well funded opposition to the finding of AGW have convinced 75% of the US population that it's mostly about a political agenda.
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Telling people to shut up and just believe the climate scientists reinforces that notion. Scientific theories and findings should be be questioned and refined until they are proved right. It's not the skeptic's job to prove them wrong.
Yes it is, if you want to be credible. The only fix for bad science is better science. If you think it's wrong, you have to prove it wrong and/or do better. A bunch of non-specialists trafficking in some carefully curated and enhanced negatives isn't constructive, it's just noise. It is your right to be noisy, of course.
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A bunch of non-specialists trafficking in some carefully curated and enhanced negatives isn't constructive, it's just noise. It is your right to be noisy, of course.
As the oracle from the Matrix said..."Know thy Self"

See is it ok for non-specialist Lake-Effect to traffic in his cut/paste opinions, but watch out. It is not constructive and just noise when you evil oil company shrill Deniers do it.

With comments like this from our good friend Lake-Effect, one has to wounder does he even think about what he is posting before he posts it? I mean really. How can a non-specialist in Climate Science go on attacking and lecturing us for hundreds of pages and then slap an attack on the very thing he has done for this entire thread?

It goes to show, in my humble opinion, how these MMGW Culstists see themselves...as knights riding in on a white horse to save the day from us evil capitalists who are killing mother Gia for sport and fun. Only his analysis of the data and situation matter, only His view point is worthy of being discussed, all others should be prosecuted as hate speech. Do you smell the Fascist approach here folks?
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When did you Stop Beating your Wife?

Now come on...it is up to you to prove the negative...or you infact beat your wife.

That is the Argument of the MMGW Cultists Like L-E.
Sorry...that is not how Science works. If you want to change the energy source for the world the burden is on YOU to prove it to US...not the other way around.

So stop beating your wife and get busy...because most people agree with ME that MMGW isn't a concern.
It's apparently been "proven" to the satisfaction of most democratic world governments. If Since you're a conspiracy theorist, that of course won't impress you. Still ...YOU need to unconvince THEM.

I'm just here telling you how steep that hill is.
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It's apparently been "proven" to the satisfaction of most democratic world governments. If Since you're a conspiracy theorist, that of course won't impress you. Still ...YOU need to unconvince THEM.

I'm just here telling you how steep that hill is.
If that is true...then WHY is the Paris accord Non-Binding?
Why can't the US House and Senate Pass Climate Change rules/Laws?

Oh my friend...because a small cult of MMGW Scientists who make their Living from crying Wolf say something...doesn't mean poo to me. The same experts told us we would die from the Population Bomb, yet here we are....
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

My bad science is at least as good as your bad science...

So my theory that: The wrong butterfly flapped in Angola at just the correct moment to cause the entire climate to change.... is at least as valid as MMGW.

I'm at least admitting that my science is not based on complete studies.
MMGW is based on computer models that have constantly FAILED to actually predict anything correctly.
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Let me share again what I have learned about the MMGW Cultists, because remember I was once in their camp. I traveled the Country testing emissions from power plants and combustion sources. I've been to the environmental conferences, presented the papers, I once drank the CoolAid myself, so I know how these people think and act.

In a forum like this, you are completely wasting your time engaging in a data driven scientific debate. As noble as it is, you are simply not viewed as the equal in terms of thinking and reasoning skills by the MMGW Believer. So your opinion, research and thinking skills are assumed to be faulty, poisoned, and biased from the start. Where the MMGW Cultists motives can only be pure and innocent since, after all, they are debating to save the world and you...well...you as a Denier are debating to destroy the world.

Notice how I, who long ago stopped debating their fake science, get treated the same as some other posters who DO attempt to debate them on the science. Why? Because in their view we are all the same. I just recognize it and don't waste my time any longer debating their fake data, fake talking points, etc. I just have moved on realizing (after working with them closely) that reason and logic is a total waste of time on them. Not because they are incapable or not smart...but because they are working on emotion and faith. You can't debate Faith...so I don't even try. Kudos to the Deniers in this thread who have tried...but notice what you have gotten for trying? The same personal attacks I receive. You don't love your kids or grand kids and want to poison the world.

See the MMGW Cultist is not here, he is not on FaceBook or social Media to actually DEBATE you and have a discussion. No, they are on the internet to attack, ridicule, and bully ANYONE who dares not profess the faith. To Censor those that don't buy the propaganda. In there minds, they are doing their part (not like installing Solar, stopping using fuel oil for heating, or selling their SUV) but they are earning their MMGW Cultist stripes by joining the propaganda brown shirts.

Once you have been inside their world and gotten out...it is frightening to look back into it and see the sickness. It's like watching a Donald Trump Rally...all the hate/rage/anger/sadness. Climate Change is their Wall. Trump uses a WALL to protect Americans from their fears and MMGW Cultists use the WALL of CO2 to insulate them from their fears of the world in the same way. Everyone needs something to believe in...Trumpsters have the Wall...and MMGW Cultists have the CO2. But really the Trumpsters and MMGW Cultists are the same...they operate out of fear and the need to be relevant in the world that seemingly has left them behind and they can't explain.
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Here is one observation I have made in the 288 pages of this " debate" those of us that don't think that man actually has an affect on the climate to speak of. We are the ones with the solar panels wind generators and minimal carbon footprint. Not the ones that say we need to stop using fossil fuels ( the MMGW cultists) . Seems if they want people to walk the walk they should lead by example not by badgering.
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Here is one observation I have made in the 288 pages of this " debate" those of us that don't think that man actually has an affect on the climate to speak of. We are the ones with the solar panels wind generators and minimal carbon footprint. Not the ones that say we need to stop using fossil fuels ( the MMGW cultists) . Seems if they want people to walk the walk they should lead by example not by badgering.
You don't know what I have or do, and that suits me fine. CF isn't my life; it shouldn't be yours.

What to do about AGW is a global policy problem. Individual voluntary action will never address it (unless you're Bill Gates or Elon Musk. And they are doing stuff, btw. Do you listen to them? Nooooo).
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You don't know what I have or do, and that suits me fine. CF isn't my life; it shouldn't be yours.

What to do about AGW is a global policy problem. Individual voluntary action will never address it (unless you're Bill Gates or Elon Musk. And they are doing stuff, btw. Do you listen to them? Nooooo).
OK now it really comes out you just stated that agw is a global policy problem . That means ( at least in the real world a political problem) . I for one won't pay for that folly.to much unbiased science that debunks the MM of MMGW .
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OK now it really comes out you just stated that agw is a global policy problem . That means ( at least in the real world a political problem) . I for one won't pay for that folly.to much unbiased science that debunks the MM of MMGW .
What to do about AGW is a global policy problem.

Read all the words, please; they're not there for decoration.
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What to do about AGW is a global policy problem.

Read all the words, please; they're not there for decoration.
Really I just figured you put them in to make your agw argument seem to not be a political bargaining chip in world politics.
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Individual voluntary action will never address it .
And it has taken us this long to get to the TRUTH, a little tyranny now and then is needed to save Mother Earth. Folks, what you want and your freedom is put secondary to the MMGW Cultists...do you see now just how Dangerous they are?
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The biggest part that nobody seems to want to say is that the planet really doesn't care what humans do it will just keep on spinning till the end of the solar system.
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The biggest part that nobody seems to want to say is that the planet really doesn't care what humans do it will just keep on spinning till the end of the solar system.
Why are these folks that say they believe in Science, then don't believe in Evolution....it's totally illogical.

The only constant on the Earth is Change, yet we now call change evil, as if the world needs to not change? Who are these flat-earthers that don't believe and embrace Change? As a Scientist myself, I don't get it.
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Let me share again what I have learned about the MMGW Cultists, because remember I was once in their camp. I traveled the Country testing emissions from power plants and combustion sources. I've been to the environmental conferences, presented the papers, I once drank the CoolAid myself, so I know how these people think and act.

In a forum like this, you are completely wasting your time engaging in a data driven scientific debate. As noble as it is, you are simply not viewed as the equal in terms of thinking and reasoning skills by the MMGW Believer. So your opinion, research and thinking skills are assumed to be faulty, poisoned, and biased from the start. Where the MMGW Cultists motives can only be pure and innocent since, after all, they are debating to save the world and you...well...you as a Denier are debating to destroy the world.

Notice how I, who long ago stopped debating their fake science, get treated the same as some other posters who DO attempt to debate them on the science. Why? Because in their view we are all the same. I just recognize it and don't waste my time any longer debating their fake data, fake talking points, etc. I just have moved on realizing (after working with them closely) that reason and logic is a total waste of time on them. Not because they are incapable or not smart...but because they are working on emotion and faith. You can't debate Faith...so I don't even try. Kudos to the Deniers in this thread who have tried...but notice what you have gotten for trying? The same personal attacks I receive. You don't love your kids or grand kids and want to poison the world.

See the MMGW Cultist is not here, he is not on FaceBook or social Media to actually DEBATE you and have a discussion. No, they are on the internet to attack, ridicule, and bully ANYONE who dares not profess the faith. To Censor those that don't buy the propaganda. In there minds, they are doing their part (not like installing Solar, stopping using fuel oil for heating, or selling their SUV) but they are earning their MMGW Cultist stripes by joining the propaganda brown shirts.

Once you have been inside their world and gotten out...it is frightening to look back into it and see the sickness. It's like watching a Donald Trump Rally...all the hate/rage/anger/sadness. Climate Change is their Wall. Trump uses a WALL to protect Americans from their fears and MMGW Cultists use the WALL of CO2 to insulate them from their fears of the world in the same way. Everyone needs something to believe in...Trumpsters have the Wall...and MMGW Cultists have the CO2. But really the Trumpsters and MMGW Cultists are the same...they operate out of fear and the need to be relevant in the world that seemingly has left them behind and they can't explain.

Damn Rich, best thing I've read in awhile


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