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Old 28-04-2016, 11:22   #3811
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

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Spencer and Christy admitted their mistake.

The Fu et al paper referenced is from 2004.

How did Lindzen refute it in 2002 before it was published?

This is climate change MMGW ... it isn't important for them to obey the laws of physics to support their globalist agenda.

They can alter time at will and ignore any evidence that opposes their premise.
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This is climate change MMGW ... it isn't important for them to obey the laws of physics to support their globalist agenda.

They can alter time at will and ignore any evidence that opposes their premise.
Which law(s) of physics is being disobeyed?
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Haven't seen any actual new scientific info released in many years.
Maybe visit some different websites?
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Haven't seen any actual new scientific info released in many years.
There are none so blind ...

Top 20 Journals - Climate Change - ScienceWatch.com
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Maybe visit some different websites?
LE actually I have discussions with various students and instructors in the University of Washington climatology department. ( we ride the same busses to and from Seattle ) No websites to cut and paste or misrepresent.
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As one considers warmists' endless references to data showing that the earth is warming while CO2 is increasing, and offering this correlation as proof of their view that such warming is caused by the enhanced CO2, this study in Nature is worth pondering: Direct observations of ice seasonality reveal changes in climate over the past 320–570 years : Scientific Reports
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What needs to be added to this list is the prediction that carbon emissions would reduce arable land. In fact, the planet has never been greener with areas like the Sahel coming back to life, which is an effect of carbon enrichment that any Dutch flower grower could have explained.
The Sahel is suffering from a series of droughts.

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You do realise that 2008 is 8 years ago so I guess you got nothing more current that isn't basicly a rehash.
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Now, by comparison the warmist prediction of a tropical hot spot as an inevitable consequence of global warming is an easy one to validate or refute. The hot spot isn't there as the models predicted, so that is what we call a failed prediction.
Validated. Please try to keep up.

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You do realise that 2008 is 8 years ago so I guess you got nothing more current that isn't basicly a rehash.
It is a list of journals that you might wish to follow.

You might use google scholar.
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The Sahel is suffering from a series of droughts.

Once again data that is many (7) years old and in drought calculations that makes it irelevent to what is happening today.
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Ken...You've got it all wrong my friend. The Chinese have been shipping us archless shoes for the past 35 years. We all have fallen arches and will not be able to run when they invade.
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Yes it is worth pondering
Certainly worth pondering, but as evidence that supports the theory of a correlation btwn. increased concentrations of CO2 and further warming. Not necessarily even a probability, and certainly not settled.

There are obvious problems with general and specific causation with the science at this time. So the question becomes whether the evidence we have now justifies further remedial actions and, if so, to what extent do such actions outweigh the societal costs. Given the current level of technological feasibility, that is.

The rest of the debate can be educational (if presented honestly) but often academic. But presenting evidence as proof of settled science is only for the simple-minded and politically predisposed, and only serves to undercut the advocate's credibility when inquiring minds choose to delve deeper.

Hate to tell ya, but most people could care little for the politics left or right, and are simply tired of all the relentless and obvious whining, moralizing, & propaganda being foisted upon them. Uncouple the politics, acknowledge and attempt to reconcile the contrary science, and you actually may win a few more converts.
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The rest of the debate can be educational (if presented honestly) but often academic. But presenting evidence as proof of settled science is only for the simple-minded and politically predisposed, and only serves to undercut the advocate's credibility when inquiring minds choose to delve deeper.

Hate to tell ya, but most people could care little for the politics left or right, and are simply tired of all the relentless and obvious whining, moralizing, & propaganda being foisted upon them. Uncouple the politics, acknowledge and attempt to reconcile the contrary science, and you actually may win a few more converts.
BINGO...you just more politely said exactly what I mockingly say when I refer to MMGW Cultists. I wish I had your patience, but the world is ending and we are running out of time to save the planet....
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Once again data that is many (7) years old and in drought calculations that makes it irelevent to what is happening today.
Let's see your more recent data.

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