Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 25-04-2016, 22:14   #3706
Registered User
 
Delfin's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Anacortes, WA
Boat: 55' Romsdal
Posts: 1,390
Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lake-Effect View Post
In and of itself. There's no online confirmation or transcript of the original Calgary Herald conversation that contains this quote; in fact this quote comes secondhand from a Fin Post opinion piece which claims it was part of that conversation.

Given the way it's been distorted and disseminated, I guess that a little thing like verification hasn't concerned anyone.

If people will do that with quotes, imagine what they'd do with data...
Again, if Christine Stewart's comments were a one-off remark, outside the typical discourse of those supporting the AGW myth, the you would be perfectly correct in dismissing it. But her remarks were not an isolated perspective, but one that has been reiterated by many leftist politicians in many different contexts. Only idiots, to reference back to the unfortunate Jack Dale's ad hominem, would deny the reality of "Climate Justice" where groups as diverse as the NAACP argue that climate change justifies wealth distribution to their particular constituency. Honestly, the ideological fanaticism demonstrated by true believers like JD simply make the entire debate over human impacts on climate a joke, where those who genuinely are concerned about climate impacts are made to look like complete fools through association with his particular type of clueless intellectual narcissism.

More productive would be a serious conversation about what can actually be done to mitigate those impacts, at what cost, and with what effect. IMO, only then can warmists stop looking like politically motivated loons and make an actual contribution to human welfare.
__________________

__________________
http://delfin.talkspot.com
When stupidity is a sufficient explanation, there is no need to appeal to another cause.
- Ulmann's Razor
Delfin is offline  
Old 26-04-2016, 00:24   #3707
Registered User

Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Lake Belton, TX, USA, Earth: 3rd rock from the Sun
Boat: Vagabond 14
Posts: 422
Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Quote:
Originally Posted by Delfin View Post
More productive would be a serious conversation about what can actually be done to mitigate those impacts, at what cost, and with what effect. IMO, only then can warmists stop looking like politically motivated loons and make an actual contribution to human welfare.
That is not what the MMGW advocates want....

They want YOU to change YOUR lifestyle... while they continue to do exactly what they are saying you should not do.

Al Gore uses more fossil fuel per year than some small towns... COMBINED.

Every protester in a kayak trying to interfere with an oil tanker... is in a PLASTIC kayak.... made from petroleum products.

They EACH waste hundreds of gallons of gasoline (or thousands of pounds of jet fuel) to attend a protest in Washington DC...

They complain about fracking while the metals to make the batteries in their hybrid cars requires STRIP MINING.

To avoid using fur they wear synthetics (made from petroleum products....)

To "save the animals" they send them to PETA and ASPCA shelters, which have an average of over 90% kill ratio.
__________________

__________________
TurninTurtle is offline  
Old 26-04-2016, 02:24   #3708
Registered User

Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Canada
Boat: CT 56
Posts: 418
Images: 3
Send a message via Skype™ to undercutter
Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Quote:
Originally Posted by jackdale View Post
That could also scaled to work on a boat.
I like this, maybe we could buy up the rights in Canada!!! Damn, probably to late as all the subsidies in Ontario are over.
__________________
undercutter is offline  
Old 26-04-2016, 04:00   #3709
Senior Cruiser
 
StuM's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Port Moresby,Papua New Guinea
Boat: FP Belize Maestro 43
Posts: 6,713
Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Quote:
Originally Posted by avb3 View Post
Interesting article about a bladeless wind energy system inspired by sailing, invented by a young engineer in Tunisia.

Wind energy converter inspired by ancient boats | Reuters
Been around for a few years and discussed here previously. And it looks like it's still vaporware.

See
Saphonian Wind Generator

And for an analysis of their numbers:
https://sketchypowerdevices.wordpres...bogus-numbers/
__________________
StuM is offline  
Old 26-04-2016, 04:34   #3710
Registered User
 
SailOar's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: USA
Posts: 632
Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

World Bank goes big on fighting climate change | CNBC
Quote:
The World Bank has announced plans to fight climate change through a new Climate Change Action Plan that it hopes will see investment in environmental projects reach $29 billion a year by 2020.

In a statement on Thursday, the Bank said that, in the next five years, it planned to help countries in the developing world add 30 gigawatts of renewable energy to global energy capacity; provide "early warning systems" to 100 million people; and develop "climate-smart agriculture investment plans for at least 40 countries."

The news comes in the wake of the historic COP21 agreement reached in Paris at the end of 2015. There, 195 countries agreed to make sure global warming stayed "well below" 2 degrees Celsius and to "pursue efforts" to limit the temperature rise to 1.5 degrees Celsius. [...]
__________________
SailOar is offline  
Old 26-04-2016, 04:51   #3711
Registered User
 
transmitterdan's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2011
Boat: Valiant 42
Posts: 4,025
Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

One other thing really bothers me about the climate goals. The linkage between CO2 and global temperature rise is certain according to the consensus of science. However, the goals of the climate accords are not to reduce CO2 and other GHG in the atmosphere to specific concentrations. Instead they say they will limit temperature rise to 1.5 or 2C. But the level of atmospheric CO2 and other gasses are easily measured and so seem like a much more logical target. Plus these gasses are present before we see the effect on temperature. Why is it that the goals are set so the results can't be measured until long after the remedial actions have been taken? Especially when there are indisputable measurements that would provide feedback in near real time.
__________________
transmitterdan is offline  
Old 26-04-2016, 04:59   #3712
Moderator Emeritus
 
GordMay's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Thunder Bay, Ontario - 48-29N x 89-20W
Boat: (Cruiser Living On Dirt)
Posts: 31,586
Images: 240
Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

How many “warmists” does it take to change a light bulb?
None. They can’t change anything.

How many “deniers” does it take to change a light bulb?
None. They won’t change anything.
__________________
Gord May
"If you didn't have the time or money to do it right in the first place, when will you get the time/$ to fix it?"



GordMay is online now  
Old 26-04-2016, 06:03   #3713
Registered User

Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Germany
Boat: 2ft wide dreaming chair
Posts: 311
Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

damn, Gordon, don't make it to obvious that this thread is just another joke thread.
__________________
Simonsays is offline  
Old 26-04-2016, 07:12   #3714
Senior Cruiser
 
StuM's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Port Moresby,Papua New Guinea
Boat: FP Belize Maestro 43
Posts: 6,713
Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Quote:
Originally Posted by transmitterdan View Post
One other thing really bothers me about the climate goals. The linkage between CO2 and global temperature rise is certain according to the consensus of science. However, the goals of the climate accords are not to reduce CO2 and other GHG in the atmosphere to specific concentrations. Instead they say they will limit temperature rise to 1.5 or 2C. But the level of atmospheric CO2 and other gasses are easily measured and so seem like a much more logical target. Plus these gasses are present before we see the effect on temperature. Why is it that the goals are set so the results can't be measured until long after the remedial actions have been taken? Especially when there are indisputable measurements that would provide feedback in near real time.
Can any of the warmists tell us exactly what maximum concentration of CO2 we need to in order to stay within 1.5 and 2°C above pre-industrial temperature?
__________________
StuM is offline  
Old 26-04-2016, 07:44   #3715
Registered User
 
SailOar's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: USA
Posts: 632
Re: Why Climate Change WILL Matter in 20 Years

Quote:
Originally Posted by StuM View Post
Can any of the warmists tell us exactly what maximum concentration of CO2 we need to in order to stay within 1.5 and 2°C above pre-industrial temperature?
What Most People Don't Understand About Climate Change | The Atlantic
Quote:
[...] Yet actually achieving 1.5 degrees [maximum temperature change from pre-industrial times] will be extraordinarily difficult. Speaking to The Atlantic Monday morning from Paris, President Obama’s top science advisor said that it will be an near impossible target to meet.

“The basic answer is the lower the better, but it will be a big challenge to stay under two [degrees]. And 1.5, I would say most technical experts would dispute that 1.5 is attainable,” said John Holdren, the assistant to the president for science and technology. Holdren, a plasma physicist and aerospace engineer by training, also directs the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy.[...]

A May study in Nature Climate Change agreed that carbon emissions would have to go negative sometime this century to stay below 1.5 degrees of warming by 2100. Global carbon emissions would have to peak in the next few years, then decline rapidly, and the world would have to essentially stop emitting greenhouse gases between 2045 and 2060.

That may seem like a long time, but it will also take a very long time to replace coal and natural-gas power plants with solar, wind, and other carbon-neutral options. (Bill Gates has also emphasized this point in this magazine.)

The “global energy system represents something over $20 trillion in capital investment, which ordinarily would turn over on a timescale of 30 or 40 years. There is no way to rebuild the energy system overnight—it’s too big, too costly to do that,” Holdren told me.

“I think the aspect of climate change that probably most people don’t understand and need to is the long time scales involved,” said Holdren. “That is, it takes the climate a long time to adjust completely to what we add to the atmosphere. And as a result of that, we are not even today experiencing the full consequences of what we’ve already added to the atmosphere. If we stopped adding greenhouse gases today, the global temperature would continue to coast upward to close to 1.5 degrees until it stopped.”[...]
__________________
SailOar is offline  
Old 26-04-2016, 07:48   #3716
Registered User

Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 570
Re: Why Climate Change WILL Matter in 20 Years

So I'm interpreting your post as a "no" vote.
__________________
fryewe is offline  
Old 26-04-2016, 07:52   #3717
Registered User

Join Date: May 2011
Location: Toronto
Boat: Sandpiper 565
Posts: 2,943
Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Quote:
Originally Posted by Delfin View Post
Again, if Christine Stewart's comments were a one-off remark, outside the typical discourse of those supporting the AGW myth, the you would be perfectly correct in dismissing it. But her remarks were not an isolated perspective, but one that has been reiterated by many leftist politicians in many different contexts. Only idiots, to reference back to the unfortunate Jack Dale's ad hominem, would deny the reality of "Climate Justice" where groups as diverse as the NAACP argue that climate change justifies wealth distribution to their particular constituency.
Yes, we all know that CC is just a front and a vehicle for bringing on a soshulist utopia. So even if she didn't actually say that, we JUST KNOW that she was thinking it... so it's ok.

Quote:
More productive would be a serious conversation about what can actually be done to mitigate those impacts, at what cost, and with what effect.
Um, no ****. But it's not the pro-AGW side jamming up the works with multi-pronged attacks on the science, the climate scientists, and anyone who agrees with them.
__________________
Lake-Effect is offline  
Old 26-04-2016, 07:57   #3718
Registered User

Join Date: May 2011
Location: Toronto
Boat: Sandpiper 565
Posts: 2,943
Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Quote:
Originally Posted by StuM View Post
Can any of the warmists [] tell us exactly what maximum concentration of CO2 we need to in order to stay within 1.5 and 2°C above pre-industrial temperature?
I'm certain someone could. Would it actually tell you anything useful? I imagine that if they'd stated that instead of the temperature goal, you'd be up and down them for posting some inscrutable and meaningless target.
__________________
Lake-Effect is offline  
Old 26-04-2016, 08:21   #3719
Senior Cruiser
 
jackdale's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada
Posts: 5,048
Images: 1
Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Quote:
Originally Posted by StuM View Post
Can any of the warmists tell us exactly what maximum concentration of CO2 we need to in order to stay within 1.5 and 2°C above pre-industrial temperature?
The ideal CO2 levels are probably within the 180 - 300 ppm that existed for the past 800,000 years prior to the industrial revolution.

That, of course, is impossible.

If we use the geological record as a precedent, we are past the the optimal level

The last time atmospheric CO2 was at 400 parts per million was during the ancient Pliocene Era, three to five million years ago, and humans didn’t exist.
- Global average temperatures were 3 to 4 degrees C warmer than today (5.4 to 7.2 degrees F).
- Polar temperatures were as much as 10 degrees C warmer than today (18 degrees F).

Other anthropogenic and natural factors are also involved.
__________________
ISPA Yachtmaster Ocean Instructor Evaluator
Sail Canada Advanced Cruising Instructor
IYT Yachtmaster Coastal Instructor
ASA 201, 203,204, 205, 206, 214
As I sail, I praise God, and care not. (Luke Foxe)
jackdale is offline  
Old 26-04-2016, 08:48   #3720
Registered User
 
Exile's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Land of Disenchantment
Boat: Bristol 47.7
Posts: 2,962
Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Quote:
Originally Posted by jackdale View Post
The ideal CO2 levels are probably within the 180 - 300 ppm that existed for the past 800,000 years prior to the industrial revolution.

That, of course, is impossible.

If we use the geological record as a precedent, we are past the the optimal level

The last time atmospheric CO2 was at 400 parts per million was during the ancient Pliocene Era, three to five million years ago, and humans didn’t exist.
- Global average temperatures were 3 to 4 degrees C warmer than today (5.4 to 7.2 degrees F).
- Polar temperatures were as much as 10 degrees C warmer than today (18 degrees F).

Other anthropogenic and natural factors are also involved.
How about we use a potentially more instructive geological record as a precedent, namely the Medieval Warming Period? If temps were significantly higher back then than they are now, but the (pre-industrial) CO2 levels were presumably lower, then what does that say about the relationship btwn. CO2 and warming?

I know, too easy. I'm probably missing something . . . basic . . . .
__________________

__________________
Exile is offline  
Closed Thread

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Cruising and the Coming Storm ~ Recession, Depression, Climate Change, Peak Oil jtbsail Off Topic Forum 162 13-10-2015 13:17
Weather Patterns / Climate Change anjou Off Topic Forum 185 19-01-2010 15:08
Climate Change GordMay Off Topic Forum 445 02-09-2008 08:48
Healthiest coral reefs hardest hit by climate change GordMay Off Topic Forum 33 11-05-2007 03:07



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 06:16.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.