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22-04-2016, 15:53
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years
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Is that your answer?
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22-04-2016, 16:12
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years
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Is that your answer?
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Joanne Nova claims the data is from that paper. It ain't.
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22-04-2016, 16:17
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years
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Is that your answer?
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Seems to be the m.o. for this never-ending "debate." Jack posts a chart, graph, excerpt or youTube that supports his position and only his position, represents it as " the science," and then when it's pointed out that the issue is legitimately contested amongst scientists, Jack asks "where's your science?" If someone responds then the "analysis" seems to end in silence.
Well, now Reef has given us a more balanced view of "the actual science" concerning the causes and nature of our current temperature trend. Not sure what the two names are about either, don't understand the response, but it couldn't possibly be about attacking the messenger as opposed to the message, right??
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22-04-2016, 16:18
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years
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Joanne Nova claims the data is from that paper. It ain't.
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Then roll your own (for the last 50k years)...
ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/pal..._alley2000.txt
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22-04-2016, 16:24
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years
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Ok, this is just getting weird. What's Jo Nova got to do with anything?
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Read the left hand axis of the graph.
joannenova.com.au
The graph is from her web site. It is a fake
Will Steffen in denial of entire Holocene? « JoNova
Here what Richard Alley's temperature data looks like.
NOAA Paleoclimatology Program - Alley 2000 Greenland Ice Core Data
Do you not bother to verify anything?
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22-04-2016, 16:25
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years
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Originally Posted by Exile
Seems to be the m.o. for this never-ending "debate." Jack posts a chart, graph, excerpt or youTube that supports his position and only his position, represents it as " the science," and then when it's pointed out that the issue is legitimately contested amongst scientists, Jack asks "where's your science?" If someone responds then the "analysis" seems to end in silence.
Well, now Reef has given us a more balanced view of "the actual science" concerning the causes and nature of our current temperature trend. Not sure what the two names are about either, don't understand the response, but it couldn't possibly be about attacking the messenger as opposed to the message, right??
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You've noticed that too?
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22-04-2016, 16:26
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years
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Better yet - Richard Alley's own graph
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22-04-2016, 16:27
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years
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Yes I do.
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22-04-2016, 16:28
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years
For comparison'
Alley's graph
Nova's graph
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22-04-2016, 16:30
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years
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Yes I do.
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That bears no resemblance to Nova's graph. Looks a lot like Alley's.
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22-04-2016, 16:37
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years
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That bears no resemblance to Nova's graph. Looks a lot like Alley's.
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I'm assuming you missed the caption "journal of quaternary science reviews 19-213-226"
If you're assuming Jo Nova made this graph up then she must have plenty of influence.
http://www.thegwpf.org/content/uploa...erspective.pdf
(Have a look at page 5)
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22-04-2016, 16:39
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years
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That bears no resemblance to Nova's graph. Looks a lot like Alley's.
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It is his data.
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22-04-2016, 16:44
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years
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I caught the the caption. I read and posted a link earlier. Did you miss that?
Nova's graph is a fake, as is the one in the gwpf paper - it is the same fake from her site, it has her website on it.
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22-04-2016, 16:51
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years
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That bears no resemblance to Nova's graph. Looks a lot like Alley's.
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I guess the eye sees what the mind wants it to see....
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22-04-2016, 16:51
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years
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I caught the the caption. I read and posted a link earlier. Did you miss that?
Nova's graph is a fake, as is the one in the gwpf paper - it is the same fake from her site, it has her website on it.
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I read your link but apparently missed the evidence of fakery. Maybe you can be a bit clearer with your links. A brief explanation of what you think the link stands for would be helpful.
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