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Old 22-04-2016, 12:53   #3481
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If you look at each of these and several other "end of civilization" predictions you will find that on balance the original post in this thread is probably right.
The thesis of the original post will probably end up being right because the adults are not waiting for CF to resolve the issue.
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

As a matter of fact contributing to the problem with all the hot air...
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Where does each of you / us fit on this scale?

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Skeptics. They know the science but are bothered by the exaggerators, and they point to serious flaws in the theory and data analysis. They get annoyed when the warmists ignore their complaints, many of which are valid. This group includes auditors, scientists who carefully check the analysis of others.

Shall I now expect a subpoena from my state AG?

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Warmist.
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The thesis of the original post will probably end up being right because the adults are not waiting for CF to resolve the issue.
You mean the adults looking to secure their "legacies?"

Rather than "hope and hype," how about reason and economics?

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Paris Climate Agreement: Americans Foot Bill, No Effect on Climate
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

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Unfortunately, not everyone was in on the joke. Determined to display “leadership,” President Obama made the classic mistake of the kid who hears everyone is going skinny-dipping, strips naked, plunges into the water, and then turns to find his dry and still-modest peers laughing from the shore as they run off with his clothes. While everyone else both literally and figuratively mailed in their commitments, the president pledged a dramatic reduction in U.S. emissions: 26 to 28 percent below their 2005 level by 2025. To further grease the skids of international diplomacy, he committed the United States to lead the transfer of $100 billion in annual “climate finance” from the developed world to the developing countries that are pledging nothing.

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Warmist.
I'm surprised. I had you somewhere btwn. one who knew the science but exaggerated for the public good, vs. one who subscribes to scare tactics as necessary and appropriate. In other words, somewhere between Exaggerator and Alarmist based on the assumption that it's all for our own good. Can't fix stupid, after all.

At least Sail Oar admitted to his Alarmism, boldly stating that scare tactics are justified for the common good.
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Unfortunately, not everyone was in on the joke. Determined to display “leadership,” President Obama made the classic mistake of the kid who hears everyone is going skinny-dipping, strips naked, plunges into the water, and then turns to find his dry and still-modest peers laughing from the shore as they run off with his clothes. While everyone else both literally and figuratively mailed in their commitments, the president pledged a dramatic reduction in U.S. emissions: 26 to 28 percent below their 2005 level by 2025. To further grease the skids of international diplomacy, he committed the United States to lead the transfer of $100 billion in annual “climate finance” from the developed world to the developing countries that are pledging nothing.

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And....

Their changing climate vs your changing weather.
Unless there's cooling . . . then your changing climate is their changing weather. See how easy this is? If only we could all just believe.
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Many of those are products that use petroleum as a feedstock. They do not produce CO2 until they burned.

By not burning fossil fuels we will extend the life of the petrochemical industry.
The lifespan of the petrochemical industry will be determined by the pace of technological innovation. Even then, we'll still have an energy industry that just sells fewer petrochemicals.

Hey, it's not about what you want or I want, it's just what it is. Generally best to learn to live with the inevitable.
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

I though I'd try a little "cut and paste."
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Must be true, it has a graph
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Yet again, Skepticalscience peddles alarmism.

https://www2.ucar.edu/news/backgroun...hoons-cyclones



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IS GLOBAL WARMING AFFECTING HURRICANES?

Are hurricanes getting worse as the*global average temperature rises? What can we expect in the future?

A growing amount of research is looking into these questions, and not all of the answers are in just yet. Here’s a summary of*what research tells us so far.

Oceans are warmer; more rainfall expected

The bottom line:*As summarized in 2007 in the*Fourth Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change:

There is observational evidence for an increase of intense tropical cyclone activity in the North Atlantic since about 1970, correlated with increases in tropical SSTs [sea-surface temperatures]. There are also suggestions of increased intense tropical cyclone activity in some other regions where concerns over data quality are greater. —IPCC Working Group I, Summary for Policymakers, 2007

Sea-surface temperatures across the tropics have risen along with global temperature over the last 100 years and are expected to warm further in the next century. All else being equal, warmer oceans can support stronger hurricanes.

The extra water vapor evaporated by oceans in a warmer climate can be expected to boost rainfall from hurricanes by as much as 8% for every 1°C (1.8°F) of warming, according to Kevin Trenberth of NCAR (view a PDF of this paper).

Examining the record

Several studies in the last decade have reported*enhanced hurricane activity in some regions. For example:

Roughly twice as many hurricanes are now reported in the Atlantic compared to a century ago. The rise, identified by Greg Holland (NCAR), occurred over three distinct periods associated with rises in sea-surface temperature (see*NCAR news release).In both the North Atlantic and North Pacific oceans, the duration of tropical cyclones as well as their strongest wind speeds have both increased by about 50% over the past 50 years, according to Kerry Emanuel, Massachusetts Institute of Technology (see*MIT news release).The number of Category 4 and 5 hurricanes worldwide nearly doubled from the early 1970s to the early 2000s, found a team from the Georgia Institute of Technology and NCAR (see*NCAR news release).

Changes in*observing techniques*pose a major challenge when studying past hurricanes. Tropical cyclones have been routinely monitored by aircraft for 60 years or less, and by satellite for only 20 to 40 years, depending on the ocean. In earlier years, many storms over the open ocean may have gone unobserved, as noted in a 2007 study by Christopher Landsea (NOAA,*view a PDF of this paper). Thus, scientists must take special care in analyzing global hurricane records prior to the 1970s.

Studying the future

The bottom line:*According to the 2012*IPCC report*Managing the Risks of Extreme Events and Disasters to Advance Climate Change Adaptation*(PDF):

Average tropical cyclone maximum wind speed is likely to increase, although increases may not occur in all*ocean basins. It is likely that the global frequency of tropical cyclones will either decrease or remain*essentially unchanged. (Section 3.4.4)
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I though I'd try a little "cut and paste."
Natural cycles would have us in a cooling phase. Where is the cooling?
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