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Old 08-04-2016, 16:16   #3151
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

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Figuring out that gibberish is above my pay grade, unfortunately.

But for a teaser...



This is from 14 November 2010.

I reckon that constitutes the basis of a valid argument for a conspiracy theory.



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Speaking of nonsense.

Contextomy at its worst.

I have read the interview. I suggest that you do likewise.

Look to the source, Luke.
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This is from 14 November 2010.
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Climate policy has almost nothing to do anymore with environmental protection, says the German economist and IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer.*The next world climate summit in Cancun is actually an economy summit during which the distribution of the world’s resources will be negotiated. –*Ottmar Edenhofer
I reckon that constitutes the basis of a valid argument for a conspiracy theory.
Did he touch the corner of his mouth with his pinky? Were there gales of maniacal laughter immediately after? Then it doesn't count.



Something more recent from Herr Edenhofer. I think he's toned down the "world domination" rhetoric a bit.
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Did you read Kowtan and Way?

The quick version.

https://youtu.be/OwKDyiR1f4o

Notice that they used satellite data
The "underestimated" surface data trend (light red line) shows a 14-year avg. change from about 0.41 to 0.46 or so, or approx. 1/20th of a degree. No cause for alarm there!

This is then compared to the more recent "hybrid" readings (using sats to fill in the gaps at the poles) which show a trend (bold red line) starting at about 0.38 and ending at about 0.52, or approx. 1.4 degs.

Either my eyesight is off (certainly possible), my math is rusty (fair chance), or they cherry-picked starting points (happened before), but something is seriously wrong with one or both of these trend lines, probably the first one (obviously). Did I miss something? If not, then the satellites filling in the gaps caused a disparity of what, almost 30x over the same time period??

I'm admittedly no expert in reading graphs, but it seems something's not right here -- please explain.

Of course, all you have to do is show what the UAH or RSS data reveals over the same time period, and then we'll have a better idea of how the sats filled in the gaps from the missing polar stations. But perhaps clarity is not the goal here.
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Poking fun doesn't change the facts.

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Something more recent from Herr Edenhofer. I think he's toned down the "world domination" rhetoric a bit.
No doubt he got his ass kicked big time for letting the cat out of the bag.


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No doubt he got his ass kicked big time for letting the cat out of the bag.
As long as it wasn't sharks with frickin' lasers.
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Since we're back to being science-y, can you help me find what part of the Spencer & Christie dataset accounts for heat retained in the oceans?
You'll have to do your own work L-E, sorry.

But I hope you do because it seems like ocean subduction is at least a facially plausible critique of the UAH data. My understanding is that ocean subduction is, however, a rather new and "evolving" theory, and apparently dependent on stronger than normal trade wind activity for transfer to occur. There are also a bunch of problems, as I recall, with measuring any increased warmth at the depths where the additional heat is thought to be stored. Again -- could be wrong in my recollection -- but measuring ocean surface through the normal means doesn't cut it. Not sure if Spencer/Christy has "adjusted" for this or not.

I'm sure our resident sage will fact-check me on all this and, who knows, maybe even fill in some blanks. In fact, suddenly I feel a wave of links and cut & pastes heading our way . . . .
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Ah, but that doesn't matter, so long as they achieve at least a perceived "consensus" on their world view. Lots of tools for this in addition to poking fun with cute internet snippets. There's distortion, obfuscation, condescension, sense of superiority, labeling, stereotyping, character assassination, and of course the biggie -- intolerance. I don't really care what their opinions are since truth will eventually win out, but what I find weird is how they insist on imposing their "correct" opinions on everyone else. It'd be scary if it wasn't so transparent.
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As long as it wasn't sharks with frickin' lasers.
Bah! That's soooo 1990's.

I'd go with stingrays firing graphene projectiles.

Hey! Now there's an idea. We could harvest carbon to make everything out of that wonder material graphene. And, it's only a matter of time before we need our very own dyson sphere which even at a 1 atom thickness will be sure to use up all remaining 11000 gigatonnes or thereabouts.

So it's true!, it's true! Technology will eventually save the day.

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Ah, but that doesn't matter, so long as they achieve at least a perceived "consensus" on their world view. Lots of tools for this in addition to poking fun with cute internet snippets. There's distortion, obfuscation, condescension, sense of superiority, labeling, stereotyping, character assassination, and of course the biggie -- intolerance. I don't really care what their opinions are since truth will eventually win out, but what I find weird is how they insist on imposing their "correct" opinions on everyone else. It'd be scary if it wasn't so transparent.
If you're trollin, you'll need some better bait than that.

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Speaking of nonsense.

Contextomy at its worst.

I have read the interview. I suggest that you do likewise.

Look to the source, Luke.
I don't speak German.

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So you rely on gossip. Figures

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I don't speak German.

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So you rely on gossip. Figures

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So you rely on gossip. Figures

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No. I don't rely on gossip. Why don't you post up what he actually said in that German radio interview and explain how it differs in context from the quote I posted?
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Exile the deep ocean has not warmed how they want us to believe it has
Study Finds Earth’s Ocean Abyss Has Not Warmed - NASA Science
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