Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 20-12-2015, 07:02   #16
One of Those
 
Canibul's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Turks and Caicos Islands
Boat: Catalac 12M
Posts: 3,209
Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Well, by golly, the Americans should just pay to clean up every mess the rest of the world flushes down their rivers.
__________________

__________________
Expat life in the Devil's Triangle:
http://2gringos.blogspot.com/
Canibul is offline  
Old 20-12-2015, 07:04   #17
Registered User
 
Delancey's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Miami, FL
Boat: sunk by irma
Posts: 3,462
Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Quote:
Originally Posted by Canibul View Post
you could get similar graphs by plotting the number of tire revolutions in a month.

Or the number of diapers produced. Or nails driven. Or Reebocks worn out. Or in fact anything.

And of course those graphs are produced by totally objective people......
whose livelihoods just happen to depend on people buying their snake oil.
Well, I don't think you will see graphs like that for things like new species evolving or for natural resources being replenished. Do you?

Please explain to me how someone's livelihood could depend on extinction rates going up? I would think the contrary for anyone living on the planet.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	image.jpeg
Views:	315
Size:	59.8 KB
ID:	115353  
__________________

__________________
Delancey is offline  
Old 20-12-2015, 07:07   #18
Registered User
 
Muckle Flugga's Avatar

Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Aboard the Ocean wave
Boat: 55' sloop.
Posts: 1,426
Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Quote:
Originally Posted by Delancey View Post
Climate change won't matter in twenty years because we will be too busy worrying about more immediate concerns, like how screwed up the environment got while we were too busy worrying about climate change and ignored the myriad of other ways we were destroying our planet.

Want some swordfish tartar to go with your northern white rhino steak? Good luck with that!
Your view mirrors my own. I am somewhat agnostic about the "dangers" of climate change and the extent to which it is anthropogenic. But I am absolutely damn sure we are causing direct mechanical damage to our planet in so many other ways it makes me dizzy just thinking about it. I worry that the focus on CC causes these other, far more immediately pressing and obvious problems to be ignored. How much of Borneo will be left in 10 years, much less 100, for just one tiny example?
__________________
‘Structural engineering is the art of modeling materials we do not wholly understand into shapes we cannot precisely analyse as to withstand forces we cannot properly assess in such a way that the public at large has no reason to suspect the extent of our ignorance.’
Muckle Flugga is offline  
Old 20-12-2015, 07:09   #19
Registered User

Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Wandering around North America
Boat: Defever 43 - Gray Hawk
Posts: 602
Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Quote:
Originally Posted by motion30 View Post
Funny, the rest of the advanced world except for the Republican Party believes in climate change. I guess everybody else is wrong
Real science isn't a democracy. The most revolutionary scientists are always outliers in their own time. Fortunately we no longer physically burn them at the stake but their current punishment is severe nonetheless.
__________________
R.J.(Bob) Evans
M/V Gray Hawk, 43 Defever Offshore Cruiser
http://www.bobandmarilyn.ca
bobofthenorth is offline  
Old 20-12-2015, 07:10   #20
Registered User
 
Muckle Flugga's Avatar

Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Aboard the Ocean wave
Boat: 55' sloop.
Posts: 1,426
Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Quote:
Originally Posted by transmitterdan View Post
Ken,

Thanks for finding the article. I am directly involved in this research. If the world does not lose its resolve then fusion power will be a reality before this century is over. The US should increase its commitment to this project. One would think that the present government would be a strong advocate but sadly the other countries involved such as India and Korea are much more committed than the US. I read about India being maligned in the media because they rely on coal for their increasing energy needs. But they are one of the strongest players in fusion research. They know that the sooner fusion becomes a reality the sooner they can dump coal.

For example: L&T dispatches first consignment of ITER cryostat - The Economic Times

Wind and solar are for dreamers. Unlimited energy that does not pollute, does not clutter the landscape with huge windmills that need constant maintenance and does not require millions of flying creatures to die every year. The math is clearly in favor of fusion.

How do we know fusion works? Answer: The sun comes up every morning.
Another excellent post. I am all for nuclear in general. What is your opinion on pebble bed reactors?
__________________
‘Structural engineering is the art of modeling materials we do not wholly understand into shapes we cannot precisely analyse as to withstand forces we cannot properly assess in such a way that the public at large has no reason to suspect the extent of our ignorance.’
Muckle Flugga is offline  
Old 20-12-2015, 07:16   #21
Registered User
 
transmitterdan's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2011
Boat: Valiant 42
Posts: 4,019
Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Quote:
Originally Posted by Muckle Flugga View Post
Another excellent post. I am all for nuclear in general. What is your opinion on pebble bed reactors?
I have devoted about 20 years to the fusion side because I believe that is the truly unlimited energy resource. Uranium based fission systems are ok but they don't have the long term potential of fusion. We have plenty of petroleum based energy reserves to last another couple hundred years and efficiency improvements may be able to extend that to 400 years. We should use that cheap energy and invest in the end game which is fusion. The solar system is after all fusion powered. I find it kind of pointless to argue with mother nature?
__________________
transmitterdan is online now  
Old 20-12-2015, 07:35   #22
Registered User
 
Muckle Flugga's Avatar

Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Aboard the Ocean wave
Boat: 55' sloop.
Posts: 1,426
Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Quote:
Originally Posted by transmitterdan View Post
I have devoted about 20 years to the fusion side because I believe that is the truly unlimited energy resource. Uranium based fission systems are ok but they don't have the long term potential of fusion. We have plenty of petroleum based energy reserves to last another couple hundred years and efficiency improvements may be able to extend that to 400 years. We should use that cheap energy and invest in the end game which is fusion. The solar system is after all fusion powered. I find it kind of pointless to argue with mother nature?
Both pointless, and impossible. It would be interesting to consider whether, having begun, like the stars, with Helium to Hydrogen, we may one day, like the Novas, fuse the heavier metals and other elements, perhaps creating altogether new ones? Meantime it would be nice simply to be able to use the vast hydrogen resources on the planet, and to allay the fears of helium depletion
__________________
‘Structural engineering is the art of modeling materials we do not wholly understand into shapes we cannot precisely analyse as to withstand forces we cannot properly assess in such a way that the public at large has no reason to suspect the extent of our ignorance.’
Muckle Flugga is offline  
Old 20-12-2015, 07:37   #23
Registered User
 
bobnlesley's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Yorkshire/Back down in da islans Mon
Boat: Trident Challenger- 35 feet
Posts: 369
Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

In the greater scheme of things climate change really doesn't matter, as pollution, over-population, et-al are not destroying the planet, but merely changing it; the planet doesn't have a problem, just it's population.

These changes brought about by the human animals will eventually - probably sooner rather than later - render the earth uninhabitable for themselves, or at least in the large/urbanised populations which we have currently and more sadly, for the many other species too; perhaps fortunately few if any of these other species have the cognitive powers to realise/worry about what's heading their way.

However, the planet itself is not going to be destroyed, it will continue to spin and remain sustaining for some forms of life; there may even be a small population of the more resilient and self-reliant humans remaining, who will no doubt begin the whole cycle once again? But the planet remains safe.
__________________
bobnlesley is offline  
Old 20-12-2015, 07:54   #24
Registered User
 
Delancey's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Miami, FL
Boat: sunk by irma
Posts: 3,462
Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

I prefer the notion of Transhumanism over Artificial Intellegence dominating the post-human world but maybe I am just sentimental.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	image.png
Views:	204
Size:	59.7 KB
ID:	115356  
__________________
Delancey is offline  
Old 20-12-2015, 08:04   #25
cat herder, extreme blacksheep
 
zeehag's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: furycame alley , tropics, mexico for now
Boat: 1976 FORMOSA yankee clipper 41
Posts: 17,770
Images: 56
Send a message via Yahoo to zeehag Send a message via Skype™ to zeehag
Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

and what is it that the govts are trying to change?? change?? or the thickness of their individual wallets.
planet changes all the time. its/our only constant is change.
humans are not the root cause of change.
get over it, arrogant bastids. hell, there is even a beer named for ye. only thing gained by govt alleged intervention with planetary change is money in pockets of fat cats causing the troubles in the first place.
sheeple. ptuey.

yeah ignorants throw trash. trash. isnt cause of climate change--is proof that folks are bar none, the rudest most arrogant animals on this planet. that is all.
zeehag is offline  
Old 20-12-2015, 08:14   #26
Registered User
 
Delancey's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Miami, FL
Boat: sunk by irma
Posts: 3,462
Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Zee, luv ya. Reely due! Butt if ewe thnkn humenz arent responsilly for the deklin in world shark populations then their reely iz no hope.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...eatened_sharks
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	image.jpeg
Views:	235
Size:	100.0 KB
ID:	115357  
__________________
Delancey is offline  
Old 20-12-2015, 08:15   #27
Senior Cruiser
 
Kenomac's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Somewhere in the Adriatic Sea
Boat: Oyster 53 Cutter
Posts: 8,511
Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Quote:
Originally Posted by meirriba View Post
Because we want be around by then?
I still plan on being around in twenty years.... giddy up!

Just cruising around on a 32 year old boat.
__________________
Kenomac is online now  
Old 20-12-2015, 08:19   #28
Registered User

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: California Coast
Boat: Beneteau Oceanis 331
Posts: 680
Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Quote:
Originally Posted by motion30 View Post
Funny, the rest of the advanced world except for the Republican Party believes in climate change. I guess everybody else is wrong
99% of all climate scientists believe that climate change is occurring.
100% of sheep do not.
__________________
Liam Wald is offline  
Old 20-12-2015, 08:23   #29
Senior Cruiser
 
Kenomac's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Somewhere in the Adriatic Sea
Boat: Oyster 53 Cutter
Posts: 8,511
Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Quote:
Originally Posted by Liam Wald View Post
99% of all climate scientists believe that climate change is occurring.
100% of sheep do not.
What if 99% of your climate scientists are revealed to be the sheep?

Meanwhile... I'm going to enjoy the unusually warm weather we're experiencing here in New England this winter which definitely helps to forget the record cold and high snowfalls of last winter. The forecast is for 65 degrees on Christmas!
__________________
Kenomac is online now  
Old 20-12-2015, 08:26   #30
Registered User
 
Muckle Flugga's Avatar

Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Aboard the Ocean wave
Boat: 55' sloop.
Posts: 1,426
Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Quote:
Originally Posted by Liam Wald View Post
99% of all climate scientists believe that climate change is occurring.
100% of sheep do not.
Nobody really disputes that it is occurring. The disputes are centred on whether and to what degree it is mediated by human activity. I belive it is, to some degree. I also believe that it is, as Delancey has been trying to point out, very far from the most pressing environmental issue we currently face.
__________________

__________________
‘Structural engineering is the art of modeling materials we do not wholly understand into shapes we cannot precisely analyse as to withstand forces we cannot properly assess in such a way that the public at large has no reason to suspect the extent of our ignorance.’
Muckle Flugga is offline  
Closed Thread

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Cruising and the Coming Storm ~ Recession, Depression, Climate Change, Peak Oil jtbsail Off Topic Forum 162 13-10-2015 13:17
Weather Patterns / Climate Change anjou Off Topic Forum 185 19-01-2010 15:08
Climate Change GordMay Off Topic Forum 445 02-09-2008 08:48
Healthiest coral reefs hardest hit by climate change GordMay Off Topic Forum 33 11-05-2007 03:07



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 17:26.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.