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Old 30-01-2016, 07:18   #2221
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Almost time to go sailing but watch out groundhog day is comming up really fast.
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Here's a youtube video I thought had some relevance to this thread....

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Remarkable how much couldn't even be imagined, let alone predicted, in earlier times.
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Old 30-01-2016, 16:47   #2224
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Absolutely. Makes the whole we must act now to save our great great great grandchildren argument a bit silly, don't it?

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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Thanks to global warming, an icebreaker with no ice to break
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Jack,

Temps are predicted to be in the 40s, 50's and 60's (5-15 degrees C) this week here in New England with sunny skies. Usually our weather this time of year is well below freezing. So most of us will be outdoors this week, some days in short pants.

Name one bad thing regarding this weather situation, besides the snow removal people not having any work to do and icebreakers not having any ice to break?
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Ken that's what is called weather not climate change remember last year the snow in Boston didn't completely melt off until mid July enjoy this year next may just be a sub 0 one again. We are a little below normal here about 5 to 7 deg f below. Wanna trade.
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He's back!

Do you still think that climate models are heuristic?
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Here's a thought personally I think all the ice breaker activity in the Arctic is at least partially responsible for the lack of sea ice. It has to freeze and stay undesterbed to become multi year thicker pack ice. By running thru it we are disturbing the natural formation of the ice. So man is causing the loss of Arctic sea ice. Its not co2 concentration at all its the many government and private company ice breakers that are causing all the problems.
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Well we don't ned a weatherman to know which way your wind blows. You can salvage any form of media to have a view one way or another, depending on your established views, usually formed from a childhood. Generally speaking the right will be deniers and the left will be alarmist. All the proof in the world rarely sways either side (pointed out by over 2,220 post, so far).
Perhaps a middle ground of "just in case" could move us to not throwing pastics in the ocean and not buying a gas guzzler.
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I've changed my mind!


Overall it's getting cooler and it's mans' fault.
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Well we don't ned a weatherman to know which way your wind blows. You can salvage any form of media to have a view one way or another, depending on your established views, usually formed from a childhood. Generally speaking the right will be deniers and the left will be alarmist. All the proof in the world rarely sways either side (pointed out by over 2,220 post, so far).
Perhaps a middle ground of "just in case" could move us to not throwing pastics in the ocean and not buying a gas guzzler.

The problem is the climate change boogey man approach isn't working. Hence 2200+ posts here, hence increasing market share of gas guzzlers and there's little connection between chucking plastic in the ocean (usually by way of storm runoff from land to ocean) and climate change.
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... and there's little connection between chucking plastic in the ocean (usually by way of storm runoff from land to ocean) and climate change.
Actually, I think there is a clear and direct connection. The same attitude that allows some of us to spew pollutants into the atmosphere (like CO2 and CH4) is the same one that rationalizes turfing all manner of plastic garbage into the oceans. It springs from the same constantly failing narrative that says resources are endless and the Earth can absorb anything that we do to it without impact or change.

No ... the two are absolutely linked.
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Well we don't ned a weatherman to know which way your wind blows. You can salvage any form of media to have a view one way or another, depending on your established views, usually formed from a childhood. Generally speaking the right will be deniers and the left will be alarmist. All the proof in the world rarely sways either side (pointed out by over 2,220 post, so far).
Perhaps a middle ground of "just in case" could move us to not throwing pastics in the ocean and not buying a gas guzzler.
You're probably right about the more extreme right & left, which only shows how connected the science issues are with the socio-economic ones. But most people are closer to somewhere in the middle of the political spectrum (thankfully, imho). So while more of the posts tend towards one side or the other, I would think there are readers who may now have a better understanding of the issues, wherever they may fall. I know I do. Besides, the science is still evolving, so that leaves additional room for positions to change as more is discovered.

I have found the thread most educational, although I missed the other ones. I gather they were more contentious and got locked?
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Actually, I think there is a clear and direct connection. The same attitude that allows some of us to spew pollutants into the atmosphere (like CO2 and CH4) is the same one that rationalizes turfing all manner of plastic garbage into the oceans. It springs from the same constantly failing narrative that says resources are endless and the Earth can absorb anything that we do to it without impact or change.

No ... the two are absolutely linked.
I know your point is a broader one, but I'd like to think that sailors who run their diesel engines on occasion, for e.g., don't also throw their plastic refuse (or much else) overboard. As we know, the majority of the air pollutants come from the industrialized world, whereas much of the plastic in the oceans seems more attributable to the less developed world where landfills are often lacking. Given the progress that at least the western industrialized world has made over the last decades, I'm not so sure about the linkage.

I think most people understand that resources are not endless and that the planet's ability to withstand what we do to it is not without limits. But despite all the prophecies now and throughout history, the idea that these are limits which will lead to our imminent doom seems to be the consistently failing narrative.
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