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Old 23-01-2016, 20:23   #2161
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Out getting some blowdowns for firewood this afternoon, came across this and couldn't resist. Azaleas in January at 30.37N... note the winter background...guess some things 'adapt', some don't...
Jim you are in southern loussianna I have relatives a couple hundred miles north east of you in Brandon Mississippi and they grow year round. Its not that cold where you are. I could grow tomatoes in a lil greenhouse there year round.
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Climate Change: Evidence and Causes Climate Change at the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine

The unprecedented part is the overwhelming contribution of human activities to climate change.
I skimmed it while making dinner you do realise it was written and final drafted by the IPCC which has been shown several times on here to be a politically driven multi government commission for the united nations. They showed two conflicting graphs on the same page. I would personally look upon any papers from a multigovernmental agency to be suspect.
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Jim you are in southern loussianna I have relatives a couple hundred miles north east of you in Brandon Mississippi and they grow year round. Its not that cold where you are. I could grow tomatoes in a lil greenhouse there year round.
Brandon is actually about 150 miles due north, know it well, grew up (among other places) in a little town 20 miles to the east, Morton. Tonight in Brandon the forecast low is 24F. Here in Slidell the forecast low is 25. In Seattle, the forecast low is 41. Maybe you should be breakin out the seeds...
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Brandon is actually about 150 miles due north, know it well, grew up (among other places) in a little town 20 miles to the east, Morton. Tonight in Brandon the forecast low is 24F. Here in Slidell the forecast low is 25. In Seattle, the forecast low is 41. Maybe you should be breakin out the seeds...
Here we just came out of a couple weeks sub freezing and expect another bought before spring. Heck if you grew up around Brandon you may know the cookseys they own the corner of trickham bridge and pole bridge
Actually I'm not in Seattle I'm closer to JBLM forecast is for'38 finite and back below freezing next weekend.
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Just pulled your forecast and within a couple days you will be back to tee shirts and air conditioning upper 60's and low 70's
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

This op-ed in Nature discusses the impact (pro and con) of the new transparancy and how campaigns against some fields are being waged.

Research integrity: Don't let transparency damage science : Nature News & Comment
Orchestrated and well-funded harassment campaigns against researchers working in climate change and tobacco control are well documented3, 4. Some hard-line opponents to other research, such as that on nuclear fallout, vaccination, chronic fatigue syndrome or genetically modified organisms, although less resourced, have employed identical strategies.

(warning - Lewandowsky alert, for those who like to dismiss things before reading them)
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Here's a prime example of how long they have been retreating. compare the amount of retreat pre and post 1900.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retrea...ers_since_1850
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This op-ed in Nature discusses the impact (pro and con) of the new transparancy and how campaigns against some fields are being waged.

Research integrity: Don't let transparency damage science : Nature News & Comment
Orchestrated and well-funded harassment campaigns against researchers working in climate change and tobacco control are well documented3, 4. Some hard-line opponents to other research, such as that on nuclear fallout, vaccination, chronic fatigue syndrome or genetically modified organisms, although less resourced, have employed identical strategies.

(warning - Lewandowsky alert, for those who like to dismiss things before reading them)
Had the Japanese complained of Allied forces brutality in WWII, it would surely have followed the theme of that article.

Forgetting sites like Skepticalscience for a moment, the award for the ultimate underhanded denigrating site for climate researchers, activists and the like is...

http://www.desmogblog.com/

Guess which side it's batting for?

Even so, is it any wonder these guys find themselves dissed upon?...

http://www.stallinga.org/Climate/IPCCpredictions.html
http://climatechangepredictions.org/

Ps been quiet in this thread. I'd thought the cold spell in North America and northern Asia had sent you alarmists underground!

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Ps been quiet in this thread. I'd thought the cold spell in North America and northern Asia had sent you alarmists underground!

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JD's been too busy trying to work out what heuristic means

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If it means basically "best guess" in the world of antivirus software, wouldn't the same meaning apply with climate models? :-)

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If it means basically "best guess" in the world of antivirus software, wouldn't the same meaning apply with climate models? :-)

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Pretty close.

Forecasting models seldom have a handle on all system variables, and contingencies are very hard to forecast.
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Pretty close.

Forecasting models seldom have a handle on all system variables, and contingencies are very hard to forecast.
Another non answer from the master of obfuscation

But at least you've finally identified one of the issues with the models.

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Had the Japanese complained of Allied forces brutality in WWII, it would surely have followed the theme of that article.
Is this a new way to Godwin something without mentioning Nazis?

I found the article fairly evenhanded, especially for the way it laid out the obligations of the researchers to be forthcoming and open.

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Forgetting sites like Skepticalscience for a moment, the award for the ultimate underhanded denigrating site for climate researchers, activists and the like is...

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What has that - advocates throwing buns at each other, basically - got to do with the article, which is referring to the people actually doing the research, and the attacks they undergo?

If your victims of choice aren't publishing peer-reviewed work... they're not in this league, they're part of the problem.
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Another non answer from the master of obfuscation

But at least you've finally identified one of the issues with the models.

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The Roman Inquisitor returns.

"and yet it warms."
Oh no.... That will melt the two feet of record breaking snow that buried and froze Washington DC over the weekend.
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