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Old 23-01-2016, 14:33   #2146
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

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Current Arctic sea ice extent levels are below 2012, and have been near or below 2012 for Dec 2015 and January 2016.

Charctic Interactive Sea Ice Graph | Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis

Volume still trending down despite a small uptick

Jack look at your own pasted chart it shows exactly what I am referring to there has been a general increase In Arctic sea ice since 2010 the exact current winter maximum is still over a month away. And as I stated we need a couple more years data to confirm my hypotheses. Also the ice extent you linked to is all about area not volume. I am and have posted links to increased volume of 1731km3 .
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And

Yep SSTs based on ERSST4 - after they have dumped the satellite based SSTs, because they didn't give the increasing temperatures they want, and adjusted everything once again to hide the pause.

Land temperaturesin large areas infilled with extrapolations from stations up to 1200KM away. (That's like calculating the temperature in Calgary by measuring the temperatures in Seattle and Winnipeg)

But they still know the global temperature to within a hundredth of a degree.
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Got that gubmint grant paperwork filled out so you can pursue this theory? Seems like a prime candidate for a multi-year six figure study.
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Out getting some blowdowns for firewood this afternoon, came across this and couldn't resist. Azaleas in January at 30.37N... note the winter background...guess some things 'adapt', some don't...
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How can you say that with a straight face while posting that graph.

To use the words "still trending down" when your "uptick" is about 5 years long and shows no sign of turning back down is pure sophistry (to put it nicely).
Dontcha know that ya gotta have 30 years of data to show climate, otherwise it's just weather? Forgot that this means you'll need at least 15 years of uplift to reverse the trend line.

Of course, all rules are out the window if you just want to show something that looks scary...

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Out getting some blowdowns for firewood this afternoon, came across this and couldn't resist. Azaleas in January at 30.37N... note the winter background...guess some things 'adapt', some don't...
Well there you go, case close. Or is it?

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While azaleas are nowhere near as popular as they were some years ago, they’re still hard to beat when it comes to producing a mass of garden colour in winter and spring. Azaleas vary in size from small, rather delicate shrubs that are happiest in pots, to the hardy indica varieties that seem able to survive all the climatic challenges that are thrown at them. The latter group includes salmon-pink ‘Splendens’, purple ‘Magnifica’ and white or bicoloured bloomers that can reach up to more than two metres tall.
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Out getting some blowdowns for firewood this afternoon, came across this and couldn't resist. Azaleas in January at 30.37N... note the winter background...guess some things 'adapt', some don't...
Jim, you know there are fall blooming azaleas that brighten up our southern yards and woods in November and December, and on into January if the winter is mild or they are in a microclimate that allows (deep woods with water nearby and shaded from frosts). Pretty cultivar. Nice try...
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

I'm heading out shortly for a week and will only have occasional access to the forums using the app on my phone so may be limited in my inputs, especially with references to refute bad arguments.

But I'll still try to counter the more egregious comments we keep seeing.

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Well there you go, case close. Or is it?

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Jim, you know there are fall blooming azaleas that brighten up our southern yards and woods in November and December, and on into January if the winter is mild or they are in a microclimate that allows (deep woods with water nearby and shaded from frosts). Pretty cultivar. Nice try...
Except these particular azaleas, whatever their species, typically bloom around here in late March or early April. Supposed to be 25F here tomorrow, so that'll take care of them anyway...

Was really just posting a pretty picture but since y'all aksed:

NASA - Amplified Greenhouse Effect Shifts North's Growing Seasons

https://www.climate.gov/news-feature...ormal%E2%80%99
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Except these particular azaleas, whatever their species, typically bloom around here in late March or early April. Supposed to be 25F here tomorrow, so that'll take care of them anyway...

Was really just posting a pretty picture but since y'all aksed:

NASA - Amplified Greenhouse Effect Shifts North's Growing Seasons

https://www.climate.gov/news-feature...ormal%E2%80%99
Azaleas are azaleas. How's the spring crops going in your area? Ready for harvest yet?

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Except these particular azaleas, whatever their species, typically bloom around here in late March or early April. Supposed to be 25F here tomorrow, so that'll take care of them anyway...

Was really just posting a pretty picture but since y'all aksed:

NASA - Amplified Greenhouse Effect Shifts North's Growing Seasons

https://www.climate.gov/news-feature...ormal%E2%80%99
Wouldn't this be the same sort of thing that occurred during the Medieval warming period?
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I'm heading out shortly for a week and will only have occasional access to the forums using the app on my phone so may be limited in my inputs, especially with references to refute bad arguments.

But I'll still try to counter the more egregious comments we keep seeing.

And I'll be watching for responses to my recent questions
Countin' on ya to return so I can make some sense out of all of Jack's graphs! I just know he's got more!
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Except these particular azaleas, whatever their species, typically bloom around here in late March or early April. Supposed to be 25F here tomorrow, so that'll take care of them anyway...
March and April, and again in November...that's why many fall blooming cultivars are have "Encore" in their names...

This looks like it could be yours...Encore Sangria.

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Except these particular azaleas, whatever their species, typically bloom around here in late March or early April. Supposed to be 25F here tomorrow, so that'll take care of them anyway...

Was really just posting a pretty picture but since y'all aksed:

NASA - Amplified Greenhouse Effect Shifts North's Growing Seasons

https://www.climate.gov/news-feature...ormal%E2%80%99
Jim, the second link is a NOAA website that describes how the horticultural zones have shifted due to the warming of average temperatures, with the zones being established by ten degree deltas in temperature, and the inference is that climate change is responsible.

This is the same NOAA that uses a 30 year interval to evaluate climatic anomalies, yet it uses 10 year intervals for this zonal map of horticultural zones. Why does the agency use different periods for essentially the same purpose...describing the effects of climate change? And if 10 years is the appropriate interval, why are the zones moving north if there has been little change in temperatures for the past eighteen years?
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It's also the same NOAA who mentioned CC, along with blaming the El Nino & polar vortex(?), in explaining the balmy temps in the NE US over this past X-Mas. But I thought AGW amd El Nino were unrelated, just like CC & weather?
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