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Old 17-01-2016, 19:38   #1876
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

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Quite, please elaborate.



No debunking here. My statement was;


'As I think has been brought up before, more important is sea ice volume, which is much harder to estimate, but appears to be in a steady, if uneven, decline.'


And from the 'irrelevant' part you failed to include;


'This ice volume increase is an order of magnitude smaller than the Arctic decrease...'

And again, this is a model estimate, apparently developed to hindcast nonexistent trend data, presumably to use in forecasting and developing new ways of modeling a theory of climate change that none of the scientists involved disagree with... Without reading the actual study, any assumptions I make about what's stated in the abstract are just that, assumptions.



Now I realize that Newhaul was talking about the Antarctic, so I should have been more specific and said;

'As I think has been brought up before, more important is global sea ice volume, which is much harder to estimate, but appears to be in a steady, if uneven, decline.'


So, my mistake, and apologies, but we are talking about global warming, not regional warming.


GCMS is an acronym for?


And if you want to resort to typical denier-style name-calling in defense of ignoring factors pertinent to understanding an extremely complex system, I can understand your lack of understanding the system, and of credibility.

And before you counter-accuse me of name calling by using 'denier', please advise a preferred appellation. I find 'one who disagrees with AGCW' a little tedious...you can call me an alarmist if you want, but I prefer the more Latin flavor of Warmista...
Mr Warmista,

If the ice has been melting at an alarming rate, and to date the sea has not risen.... Where is all the extra water from the vast amounts of melted ice going?

This inquiring denier mind would like to know. Please elaborate.
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Old 17-01-2016, 20:14   #1877
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

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Mr Warmista,

If the ice has been melting at an alarming rate, and to date the sea has not risen.... Where is all the extra water from the vast amounts of melted ice going?

This inquiring denier mind would like to know. Please elaborate.
Actually ken the sea ice has no effect on the ocean levels. Think floating and displacement.
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

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OK, so land ice melts, more water added to the oceans, but added water is offset by the rising land. Sounds like another one of Earth's balanced systems. But see Stu's post above.
The land in Florida will not rebound from the melting glaciers.

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We have lived in Tarpon Springs Florida 18 years, The Whitcomb bayou in Tarpon Springs, has been flowing over in to the streets with the high tides. When we moved here in 1994 the bayou didn't over flow into the streets with the high tide. In resent years maybe ten, give or take a few. The point I am making, is the tides are getting higher. But is anyone taking notice. There is no denying; when the ocean is flowing into the streets at high tides, the is something to worry about.
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The land in Florida will not rebound from the melting glaciers.



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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

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Actually ken the sea ice has no effect on the ocean levels. Think floating and displacement.
I realize that fact and should have said so in my response. I was referring to the melting ice on land, such as the melting glaciers, Greenland and Antarctica that the Warmistas are so worried about... that's supposed to be causing the oceans to rise up at the alarming rate of .27mm or so per year.

Geez... I hope we can outrun this thing LOL.

Where's the missing water? How come the ocean level in Southern California and New England is at the same level as thirty years ago. I don't recall seeing the marinas doing any major renovations to accommodate the rising sea levels?
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

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This is a picture of the San Joaquin Valley southwest of Mendota in the agricultural area of California. Years and years of pumping groundwater for irrigation has caused the land to drop. The top sign shows where the land surface was back in 1925! Compare that to where Dr. Poland is standing (1977).
Wrong side the country.

Have anything on Florida?
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Wrong side the country.

Have anything on Florida?
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Land subsidence occurs when large amounts of groundwater have been withdrawn from certain types of rocks, such as fine-grained sediments. The rock compacts because the water is partly responsible for holding the ground up. When the water is withdrawn, the rocks falls in on itself. You may not notice land subsidence too much because it can occur over large areas rather than in a small spot, like a sinkhole. That doesn't mean that subsidence is not a big event -- states like California, Texas, and Florida have suffered damage to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars over the years.
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

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The land in Florida will not rebound from the melting glaciers.



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And the tides have been overflowing onto Pacific Coast Hwy in Sunset Beach, CA and on Balboa Island, CA since I was 10 years old, which doesn't prove anything more than the fact the land they built on was too low and part of a sand bar 50 years ago.

Only now... the warmistas claim it's caused by Global warming.

Newsflash! Don't build your house on a sandbar... it'll sink.
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Yep...

Land subsidence, USGS Water Science School

No cool retro picture unfortunately.
Tarpon Springs is not in the subsidence zone





Subsidence in Florida is mainly sink holes.
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Tarpon Springs is not in the subsidence zone





Subsidence in Florida is mainly sink holes.
Yes and no...
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General, in areas where the overburden ranges in thickness from 30 to 200 ft and the clay content is significant, subsidence activity is common and sinkholes are numerous (Sinclair and others, 1985) (fig. 3).


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OK the subsidence is sinkholes, now explain the increased flooding on high tides in Tarpon Springs.
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OK the subsidence is sinkholes, now explain the increased flooding on high tides in Tarpon Springs.
You missed my edit...


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General, in areas where the overburden ranges in thickness from 30 to 200 ft and the clay content is significant, subsidence activity is common and sinkholes are numerous (Sinclair and others, 1985) (fig. 3).
Refer to graph above in approx area of Tarpon Springs.
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You missed my edit...




Refer to graph above in approx area of Tarpon Springs.
No, I read what you posted and I read the rest of the sentence

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And I read the original site.
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Jack,

Where is the missing water in places like Southern California and New England where the sea level remains constant over the past 30 years?

Of course you're going to find areas of flooding at high tides along sand bars, deltas and bayous where the land is unstable and essentially sinking or shifting. Eg: Florida, New Orleans etc.
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Jack,

Where is the missing water in places like Southern California and New England where the sea level remains constant over the past 30 years?

Of course you're going to find areas of flooding at high tides along sand bars, deltas and bayous where the land is unstable and essentially sinking.
Check the up arrows.


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