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Old 11-01-2016, 11:25   #1516
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

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Are you sure about that?

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It's almost 40 f here on Whidbey Island. Maybe I should "adjust" my findings.
You are on the water I am 7 miles away and 800 ft higher here.
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Funny part to me is that the official government data doesn't match the raw data from the thermometers in my fiancée's back yard. And before you ask there are 3 different ones bimetal, mercury, and electronic. Just to be sure we have accurate info. (Her father was a boeing engineer and ammature meterologist.) Right now it is 35.1° f and raining ( second day above freezing this year.)

Are those thermometers in your fiancee's backyard in a Stevenson instrument shelter?

Did you account for TOBS bias when recording the temperatures?

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Were the thermometers calibrated regularly?
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Are those thermometers in your fiancee's backyard in a Stevenson instrument shelter?

Did you account for TOBS bias when recording the temperatures?

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Were the thermometers calibrated regularly?
Yes, yes, and last calibrated in June of 2014 a month before her dad passed.
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It's almost 40 f here on Whidbey Island. Maybe I should "adjust" my findings.
You should adjust for TOBS.

Have you calibrated you barometer? My barometer calibrated for sea level reads 884 mb. My home station calibrated for 3500 feet (approx) reads 1016.7 mb.

I use temperature on my home station as a rough guide as the sensor is tucked under an eaves trough and does some sun on it late in the day.
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Yes, yes, and last calibrated in June of 2014 a month before her dad passed.
How do you account for TOBS?

Well, you should take that up with NOAA. You have definitive evidence of a world wide conspiracy.
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Hey....what was I saying....

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...The hockey stick has been replicated scores of times...
Of course it has. It has also been shown to be hockey scores of times...including this time...

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If it has been replicated and declared to be valid scores of times by climate scientists, and it is so obviously a fraud as Harper and others point out (using science!!! OMG!!!!), then why wouldn't skeptics think the "consensus" is hockey as well, and that there is groupthink among all those supposedly independent, scientific thinkers.

And where are all those scientists declaring their undying support of Mann by filing amicus briefs in his lawsuit against Steyn, who was on the mark when he called him and his hockey stick frauds? Why are so many weasel-wording their earlier full support of the hockey stick now that it's shown to be...hockey.

I do commend you for the post the quote above is pulled from. It's a world class cut and paste and linkfest.
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I do commend you for the post the quote above is pulled from. It's a world class cut and paste and linkfest.
The more links, data (even if faked) and official looking sources the MMGW cultists can cut/past gives them a feeling of credibility. It's akin to seeing how many LIKES you can get on FaceBook. See them them...science is like FaceBook and Likes are the Consensus that validate their beliefs and "science".
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

It's zero degrees C here today, I wish we could simply adjust our temperature higher like the climate scientists do.

We raised our outdoor thermometer two feet higher up the wall... no difference, it's the same temperature. I'm wondering... maybe if I lower it five feet so that it's closer to the parking lot, do you think that'll make a difference?

It would be nice if we could get the temperature back up at least a few degrees higher today.
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It's zero degrees C here today, I wish we could simply adjust our temperature higher like the climate scientists do.

We raised our outdoor thermometer two feet higher up the wall... no difference, it's the same temperature. I'm wondering... maybe if I lower it five feet so that it's closer to the parking lot, do you think that'll make a difference?

It would be nice if we could get the temperature back up at least a few degrees higher today.
I posted a lengthy message with links to Judith Curry's site in which Zeke Hausfather explains why and how temperature adjustments are made.

Inform yourself.
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Those "lengthy messages" take longer to fast scroll past than do reading others who post normally sized ones.
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Re: Why Climate Change Won't Matter in 20 Years

Okay, okay...tomorrow it will be 30 days since this argument started. Who has been induced to change their mind? Fess up you deniers.:-)
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Okay, okay...tomorrow it will be 30 days since this argument started. Who has been induced to change their mind? Fess up you deniers.:-)
The objective is not to change minds, but to learn and perhaps point out things others don't know. Jack's interminable links and quotes are part of that, and questions asked about them are part of that.

Too bad many of jack's posts are of the tl;dr variety. He seems to have a had a lot of time on his deliveries to build up his inventory of files on AGW/CC...time that many don't have. I commend his enthusiasm, but wish he would cull those that are obvious cheerleading and summaries by journalists who provide their take on subjects they have no clue about, simply spinning the abstracts of papers or press releases.
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Okay, okay...tomorrow it will be 30 days since this argument started. Who has been induced to change their mind? Fess up you deniers.:-)
The original post speculates as to why climate change will even matter in 20-100 years. Humans will find answers for any problems which develop whether the world warms, cools, or just stays the same. The discussion was intended to be one centered around this topic.

However, the GW zealots seem determined to change peoples minds over to their side... which is global warming, climate change and the necessity for excessive green taxes to change the world's climate... like that's even possible . Difficult for me to understand how anyone can seriously believe us lowly humans can change the weather. But as I say, the GW zealots will continue to press their agenda even when others of us just look for answers to the problems if and when they materialize.

If thirty days have passed... that means I'm half way through my winter stretch here in Whoville, and it won't be long before I'm heading back over to paradise and enjoying some sunshine and global warming.

Bring it on...
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