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Old 10-09-2011, 09:27   #16
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Re: What is customary regarding sharing cost with crew and guests?

I dont know why so many feel the need to foot the bill? If I go on a hunting trip with my buddy in his 32' toy hauler I pay my share and more! After all, I didnt invest 45 grand so I wouldnt have to sleep in a tent.
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I wouldn't hesitate to pay my way or contribute either. It's fair and it keeps the books balanced.
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Re: What is customary regarding sharing cost with crew and guests?

our boat was run along the same lines as a bed n breakfast,with intercontinental travel free!

dont know that many b&s' that offer free trips

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i am sailing thru and in pair a dice--- what is the usual hotel bill for this.....and dinners out with a view...and sailing thrown in..
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Hospitality is hospitality. When you invite people to visit you at home, to you ask them to share expenses? Why would it be different when you invite them to spend time on your boat?

In polite society, the ideal boat guest brings a few nice bottles of wine aboard, and then treats the owner to a lovely dinner at a restaurant in a port of call. These are considered gestures of appreciation, not fees paid for passage.
At work... 'Deliveries'... all costs are covered... my charges are to low to pay wages so I offer free living/airfares and experience in return for watchkeeping...
With folk who want to come stay with me its different...
my sole income is from my deliveries... last year I made 4.375euros to cover my living until the first job this year...
most folks who want to spend time with me are old friends who know the situation... ****... I've lived this way for as long as they've known me...
So they trade with me... my diet changes/improves their vista changes/improves...
They've visited in the Med/Carib/Azores and UK...
Bash... If I could be like you it would please me greatly...
just do me a favour...
a little less 'LORD' over us lowly folks who cannot...
I coulda just 'Bullshitted..'
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There is no "norm".........it's whatever works for you and the guests / crew.

But all best agreed upfront, to save later misunderstandings
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At work... 'Deliveries'... all costs are covered... my charges are to low to pay wages so I offer free living/airfares and experience in return for watchkeeping...
With folk who want to come stay with me its different...
my sole income is from my deliveries... last year I made 4.375euros to cover my living until the first job this year...
most folks who want to spend time with me are old friends who know the situation... ****... I've lived this way for as long as they've known me...
So they trade with me... my diet changes/improves their vista changes/improves...
They've visited in the Med/Carib/Azores and UK...
Bash... If I could be like you it would please me greatly...
just do me a favour...
a little less 'LORD' over us lowly folks who cannot...
I coulda just 'Bullshitted..'
Not as bad as it sounds... 4mths were expenses paid as welll..... lmao

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Hospitality is hospitality. When you invite people to visit you at home, to you ask them to share expenses? Why would it be different when you invite them to spend time on your boat?

In polite society, the ideal boat guest brings a few nice bottles of wine aboard, and then treats the owner to a lovely dinner at a restaurant in a port of call. These are considered gestures of appreciation, not fees paid for passage.
Whilst I agree with your comments, I would say that in polite society the guest also considers the host's circumstances - including financially.

And where it is known that the Skipper is not really in a position to support a guests vacation costs then (IMO blah blah blah ) it is down to the guest to ensure that does not happen, and that's above / instead of a couple of bottles and a meal ashore (which I agree is a civilised way to proceed - but only when all parties can afford that approach).
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Re: What is customary regarding sharing cost with crew and guests?

ihad a couple show up for crewing-- they helped pay for one week at the dock. they brought the flubug from hell, and they ate my food and didnt replace-- i am glad when they ran off leaving me woith many m any expenses directly attributable to their presence on my boat.in my home. because of that particular flubug, i was fo rced to stay in a marina situation 3 weeks longer than originally planned an d had a lot less to work weith than if the two had stayed home and not come to my aid..LOL.. some aid.
but i also had others sho0w up and dig in to help and make boat under way-- these got bashed by others as being foolhardy and stupid, as one became seasick under way---i a m still good friends with these men.
and still another was advised i do share the sail-- he was spozedly experienced-- came on board and asked me where is my lifeboat and epirb, sat on the helmstation sofa and watched as i made ready--i shooed his lazy butt off my boat, as i dont need a slug on board.
used to be a saying long ago , among the hippest hippies(and bikers)--ass, gas or grass, no one rides for free.
that still works nicely. but it aint gonna be a free ride, and dont come on board thinking "ass" is gonna get ye more than off my boat. and grass is unwelcome aboard--am not gonna lose my home because someone got the wrong idea...
a coupla bottles and a dinner ashore is a nice way to meet and get formalities defined....
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DOJ... don't get me wrong... not pleading poverty...
one person no worries feeding.. but 3 or 4 is a burden..
even for my Virgoan frugality...
Especially if these folks are used to 12oz steaks 3 times a week etc...
Eat beans I pay... eat rich.. you pay...
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i like and concur with boatmans words also.
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DOJ... don't get me wrong... not pleading poverty...
one person no worries feeding.. but 3 or 4 is a burden..
even for my Virgoan frugality...
Especially if these folks are used to 12oz steaks 3 times a week etc...
Eat beans I pay... eat rich.. you pay...
3 or 4 Guests living onboard a Corribee for a week ? I'd pay to see that

My comments not really aimed at you, just wrapped up in past experiances of self and others - first and secondhand. Many people are just thoughtless, others don't want to offend by offering or starting an awkward conversation........but some are just takers. No reliable guide to each before getting onboard.
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3 or 4 Guests living onboard a Corribee for a week ? I'd pay to see that

My comments not really aimed at you, just wrapped up in past experiances of self and others - first and secondhand. Many people are just thoughtless, others don't want to offend by offering or starting an awkward conversation........but some are just takers. No reliable guide to each before getting onboard.
ROFL.... no... she's definitely a 'solo boat'...
But the Bene's, Hunter and Westerly were good for 3 -4 peeps...
Have to be really good friends on my current baby...
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Old 10-09-2011, 11:31   #29
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Big difference IMO between a casual day sail with friends aboard my personal boat and delivering. Day or weekend sail aboard our boat, you are our guests and treated the same way, no charge for booze, food or fuel. A bottle of wine or a case of cold ones is always appreciated. I've recruited friends for delivering our own boats between mainland Mexico, Canada and the US over the years and paid their expenses but no daily remuneration. Took them out for dinner when we made ports of call along the way.
On deliveries of others boats, paid the crew travel expenses, food and per diems depending on experience and qualifications and passed these costs on to the owners. I had a practice of shouting dinner for the crew myself when we made our final delivery port. Always ran a dry boat on deliveries but we let our hair down in port.
Business is business and pleasure is pleasure... I always tried to be fair and treat crews as I would want to be treated.
I still do the odd delivery job for old friends and don't charge them but they cover my travel and living expenses to where ever the boat is lying.
All in all over the years, I think I've come out long thanks to others generosity and keeping a business deal just that and a relaxed day sail a day out with good friends just quality time together. Capt Phil
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Sounds to me some of us are talking about real "guests," meaning people who are friends and relatives we invite aboard to share some good times with and give them a taste of what the water is all about. And then some of us are talking about "guests" that are in reality either crew along to help out with the boat on passages primarily, or they are "guests" that are really charterers who you invite to help cover your expenses.
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