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Old 24-04-2014, 07:08   #46
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Re: What did we Learn from the 60's?

What did we learn? That the most outspoken progressives can be seduced and bought off by the system they rail against.

There's no doubt there was "something happening here," back then. It's also a painful fact that most of those who fought against 'da man' became The Man by the mid/late 1970s. That time marked the beginning of the end of social progress and economic equity in much of the western world, and particularly here in North America. The Baby Boomers of the 1960s have dismantled the welfare state, brought reality to the phrase "greed is good," and are leaving the globe an environmental disaster.

... Oh, and that can't stop yapping about how wonderful the '60s were .

So, what did we learn? That older generations will always complain about younger ones. That kids are always willing to take risks that old folks won't, and you can't reform a system by becoming part of the system. In some ways I have some hope for the kids today. They are so completely disenfranchised that they may actually produce the real change that the Baby Boomers and Gen-Xers have not.
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you can't reform a system by becoming part of the system..
NO kid ever learned this. By the time they do, they are bought and paid for. Kids talk revolution and a change, but they just morph into more of the same........ or worse. Not opinion, History.
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NO kid ever learned this. By the time they do, they are bought and paid for. Kids talk revolution and a change, but they just morph into more of the same........ or worse. Not opinion, History.
Yup

It's a lesson we keep re-learning, over and over...

This is why I have some hope for the current crop of kids. Things may finally be so bad that they will have no choice but to choose revolution (and I'm not talking guns...).
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Yup
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And that is why we go boating!
And the Booga's are moving in on us now...
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I remember a history teacher stating that the ancient Romans complained there youngsters drove their chariots too fast and the girls used to much henna on their lips. Sounds similar.
Nah-it started way before that-- at Socrates trail he was accused by the establishment of encouraging the youth to like corrupting "bad music"
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Nah-it started way before that-- at Socrates trail he was accused by the establishment of encouraging the youth to like corrupting "bad music"
crap! And I thought it was Elvis.
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You mean like these pussies getting maced for your upsidedown mortgages?
Yeah, exactly. kneeling and getting maced. Sure seems to be a lot of kneeling and bowing going on these days.

Needs to be more rock throwing.


And sorry, but if you didn't live in the 60's, and did not experience the cold war, classroom nuke drills, and anti-war movement, you don't know what you're talking about. Second hand information, as in "hearing about the 60's" just doesn't do it. The question here was what did we learn from the 60's. If you were not alive during that period, you're clueless. You just refuse to admit it.

As we said in the 60's, if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

I look around at kids today, and don't see much in the way of solutions. Not in the USA, anyhow. Privileged, spoiled, indulged, entitled.

And yeah, I blame us. Their grandparents of the 50's and 60's who raised the ones from the 70's and 80's, who are now raising this current crop of aimless World of Warcraft wonders who will re-elect losers time after time because they can't think deeper than the latest political sound bite. Hey, if the Rappers say it's cool, then who are us old fogeys with fifty or sixty years experience to say otherwise. We have a generation relying on the wisdom of twenty year old uneducated "recording artists" with their hats on sideways and their britches hanging around their knees, talking about their "ho"s and their "9 millimeters".

Their friends get sent to Afghanistan, and die in a war that nobody understands, and nothing happens. These are the bozos here bad mouthing a time they know nothing about. It's king of like a history student claiming he knows more about life in Ancient Rome than the Romans who lived there did. No effing way.
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Yeah, exactly. kneeling and getting maced. Sure seems to be a lot of kneeling and bowing going on these days.

Needs to be more rock throwing.


And sorry, but if you didn't live in the 60's, and did not experience the cold war, classroom nuke drills, and anti-war movement, you don't know what you're talking about. Second hand information, as in "hearing about the 60's" just doesn't do it. The question here was what did we learn from the 60's. If you were not alive during that period, you're clueless. You just refuse to admit it.

As we said in the 60's, if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

I look around at kids today, and don't see much in the way of solutions. Not in the USA, anyhow. Privleged, spoiled, indulged, entitled.

And yeah, I blame us. Their grandparents of the 50's and 60's who raised the ones from the 70's and 80's, who are now raising this current crop of aimless World of Warcraft wonders.
Seems to me Canibul........ we learned it didnt work. Why would the kids throw more rocks if history shows it did nothing?

Maybe we ALL need to change our attitudes. On the other hand, the ones that succeeded in a long line of succeeders have already destroyed the America of the last century. Need to stop dreaming and accept the 60s kids who sold out now own America, and Britain and Europe and Russia and China and Africa.
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And the Booga's are moving in on us now...
I dont mind as long as they climb the mast to clear the line.....
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I rode my bike to this protest against a war for oil.

There were a lot of people present who I would figure were ten to twenty years younger than me. I even think there were a few rappers in the mix. Of course, we didn't get maced or beaten with clubs so if that makes us clueless than I guess we are.

WMD what a joke! Talk about clueless, I wouldn't be surprised if half the people here thought that war was a good idea at the time.
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Re: What did we Learn from the 60's?

What can we do to effect change? I think we cannot be unified like we were back then. We all have our own agendas. It's quite depressing really. And were is our cause? We will fight to the death over anchors, but let the local refinery dump tons into our sky.
I don't know.
It does not sound like we learned much.
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Strange how no one has mentioned the words Vietnam except one poster who mentioned we buy cheap crap that is made there.
Is it like saying VOLDEMORT or something? Ok, I will say it VIETNAM WAR!

What did we learn from that?

If you include the military industrial complex in the word "we"

Here is what they learned.
1. A free press is a bad thing if you are running a war.
2. Drafting soldiers is worse than hiring contractors and trolling slums
for volunteers.
3. Hiring talking heads and mean mouthed talk radio personalities will divide and conquer the minds of Americans.
4. Marginalize political discourse by injecting huge amounts of money into buying senators, congressmen and judges.
5. Manipulate voting by gerrymandering districts, messing with voting machines and removing porta pottys etc.

What "we" others have NOT learned
1. Throwing rocks didn't work against the Romans. Worked even less in the 60's.
2. Doing drugs and dropping out is not a good way to grow a political base or get America to be on your side.
3. Us against them mentality plays directly into the divide and conquer strategy of the other side. This includes older generation against younger generation, religion against science, rich against poor, racial hate against common decent humanity.

Lamenting is human nature. I do see hope in the younger generation.
The "anonymous" movemovent comes to mind. They are using a different set of tools than older generations did, that's all.

Hey, we are using that tool right now to talk to each other.
My (and it should be yours too) biggest fear is that this avenue of free speach will be taken away too.
That is a fight that you can still be a part of even as you live your "blowin in the wind" lifestyle.

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What can we do to effect change? I think we cannot be unified like we were back then. We all have our own agendas. It's quite depressing really. And were is our cause? We will fight to the death over anchors, but let the local refinery dump tons into our sky.
It's because we don't have shares in the anchor company. We do own (in one way or another) the refinery and its problems.

I think we have learned a lot. We've learned how to manage dissenters, marginalize protesters, and destroy those who question the status-quo. We've learned a lot about how to control the population using bobbles, debt, and fear. We've learned how to turn virtually all mass media into overt propagandists for the masters of the State.

... we've learned a plenty of things .
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