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Old 09-04-2009, 15:07   #46
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Well for one, this thread is posted in Scuttlebutt, which is in the off topic forum, which simply states that things should be "Off Topic content should still remain loosely related to boating." which this thread does. I see no reason why good political debate can not occur between consenting adults, especially in the "off topic" portion of the site. It would be different if it was in the General Sailing Forum.



Uh, yeah, nice rules. I feel that I am complying completely. Maybe you should re-read them. You are a moderator after all and should probably know them better then me.




You mean this part: "Discussion of politics and religion is permitted only in association with the topic of this forum. " Or is there another part I am missing? Because I kind of thought that all the political discussion in this thread was related and in association with the topic.




I do not have a problem with you. If you did, you would know about it, via private message per your rules.

I simply stated it was the stupidest thing I have ever read on the forum, which I still stand by. We all have our opinions, and I am sorry you do not agree with mine, but hey, that is life.

Political debate is EXACTLY what this country needs right now, and like minded people gathering together and discussing topics of interest should be encouraged, not discouraged.
I don't make the rules here. I enforce them. If you don't like the rules then take it up with Janet or Andy in a private message.

Calling someones statement "stupid" is contrary to the rules of the forum.

I already said if you have a problem then send me a private message. You chose to ignore that rule.

Lets get back on track. This will be the end of this side discussion about you and I.
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Old 09-04-2009, 15:36   #47
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On not being a true believer...

I do not believe that:-
1) Our military cannot find the pirates.
2) There are no pirate related targets whatsoever that can be attacked.

The only way this situation can occur is if there is overriding political directive not to act.
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Old 09-04-2009, 15:44   #48
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I do not believe that:-
1) Our military cannot find the pirates.
2) There are no pirate related targets whatsoever that can be attacked.

The only way this situation can occur is if there is overriding political directive not to act.
Hear, hear!

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AFAIK, the only navy to ever sink what may have been a Somali pirate mother ship is India. How embarrassing is that?
No offense to India - quite the opposite.
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Old 09-04-2009, 16:00   #49
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I do not believe that:-
1) Our military cannot find the pirates.
2) There are no pirate related targets whatsoever that can be attacked.

The only way this situation can occur is if there is overriding political directive not to act.
We certainly have the military technology available with AWAC aircraft and satellite technology.

The real question is how much should be spend to go proactive (search and destroy) versus going defensive by hiring a small team of well armed people to defend the ship or to put the ships in armed convoys escorted by well armed fast boats. The defensive option seems much less expensive. And better yet, less likely to kill people.

It will get cost prohibitive dragging in the worlds navies. We don't need to kill the pirates, we just need to stop them from considering boarding by making it obvious that if they try then they will lose their lives. Eventually they will get the idea. Armed guards onboard or armed convoys with vessels similar to 85 foot Coast Guard vessels could do this. They would have the endurance, speed necessary and armament necessary to stop an attempted boarding.

I think the maritime industry and perhaps the maritime nations should pick up the tab.
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We certainly have the military technology available with AWAC aircraft and satellite technology.

The real question is how much should be spend to go proactive [SNIP]

I think the maritime industry and perhaps the maritime nations should pick up the tab.
I would agree with you partially. I think the burden of cost should be strictly on the maritime industry. The International Chamber of Shipping, the Association of Independent Tanker Owners, the Baltic and International Maritime Council and The Singapore Shipping Association have more than enough members and funds to put an END to the problem IF THEY WANTED TO.

I suspect that the real issue is that it is cheaper to pay either the ransom or the insurance than to fight the problem. Otherwise it would be over already.
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If this is not well controlled and more people hear talk of the millions these pirates are coming away with at little risk to themselves others may start to feel it is a good way to get some easy money. Maybe don't tackle the tankers or freighters but how about that nice looking yacht out there?
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I suspect that the real issue is that it is cheaper to pay either the ransom or the insurance than to fight the problem.
I believe you are correct. This has been treated as a 'cost of doing business.' However according to CNN, insurance premiums for ships transiting these waters have increased 10 fold in the past 2 years. So maybe the industry will respond proactively.

Nevertheless, rampant piracy has historically been grounds for naval intervention and one of the primary reasons for having navies in the first place.
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Sorry folks some times the threads run out and there isn't much more to be gained. This thread is closed.
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