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Old 20-12-2013, 18:55   #121
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So I should be forced to move from my country of birth because I am being forced out by liberties being taken away. Pretty sure that's why people came to the USA.
No. These are the rules that pertain to this country. Your assumption that you are at liberty to remain here and not follow the rules is incorrect.
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Canada and the UK both have a higher violent crime rate than the US...
Very debatable. Each country has their own definition of what a violent crime is. Seems Canada and the UK defines many crimes of being violent that the US does not.
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Canada and the UK both have a higher violent crime rate than the US...
Nonsense , cite stats. , deaths due to gun crime are 4.5 times higher alone in the US then the UK. Do you just keep making up nonsense or are you watching too much Fox comedy news show.

By all means lets debate things , but stop just hand grenading the debate with nonsense figures. Please cite

Furthermore examine the way the UK changed reporting " violent crime" some years back, it made the figures incompatible to the US. You have to compare known specific crimes like violent homicides etc to draw comparisons.

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No. These are the rules that pertain to this country. Your assumption that you are at liberty to remain here and not follow the rules is incorrect.
Victimless crimes shouldn't be crimes...I also have a right to life in this country as a natural born citizen, not to be penalized by a monetary fine.
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Victimless crimes shouldn't be crimes...I also have a right to life in this country as a natural born citizen, not to be penalized by a monetary fine.
So you don think you should pay taxes?
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So I should be forced to move from my country of birth because I am being forced out by liberties being taken away. Pretty sure that's why people came to the USA.
What liberty has been taken away?
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This doesn't even make sense.
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Very debatable. Each country has their own definition of what a violent crime is. Seems Canada and the UK defines many crimes of being violent that the US does not.
NationMaster - Crime stats: Canada vs United States

Here's the UK, it even goes into detail that they recognize violent crimes as different and they put that into the equation and the UK is still higher. This is from a typically liberally biased site.

Social media post says U.K. has far higher violent crime rate than U.S. does | PolitiFact


"This calculation suggests that there is a higher rate of crime in England and Wales, but the discrepancy is not anywhere near as wide as the one cited in the meme."

Thus implying there is sill a higher violent crime rate.

We may have more gun related crimes, however countries that ban guns completely still have gun crimes and have higher crime rates.

Also funny how Chicago, in which outlaws guns" has the most homicide rate by an overwhelming percentage. Gun free zones don't work. Gun laws only hurt law abiding citizens. 2.2 million cases annually where a gun is used to protect ones self or another.
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This doesn't even make sense.
How does it not make sense...why are victimless crimes crimes? Why is it a crime not to wear a seatbelt or to smoke pot or to hire a prostitute or gays getting married...list goes on and on
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Did I miss something?? What do crime rates have to do with U.S. healthcare?
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NationMaster - Crime stats: Canada vs United States Here's the UK, it even goes into detail that they recognize violent crimes as different and they put that into the equation and the UK is still higher. This is from a typically liberally biased site. Social media post says U.K. has far higher violent crime rate than U.S. does | PolitiFact "This calculation suggests that there is a higher rate of crime in England and Wales, but the discrepancy is not anywhere near as wide as the one cited in the meme." Thus implying there is sill a higher violent crime rate. We may have more gun related crimes, however countries that ban guns completely still have gun crimes and have higher crime rates. Also funny how Chicago, in which outlaws guns" has the most homicide rate by an overwhelming percentage. Gun free zones don't work. Gun laws only hurt law abiding citizens. 2.2 million cases annually where a gun is used to protect ones self or another.
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So I should be forced to move from my country of birth because I am being forced out by liberties being taken away. Pretty sure that's why people came to the USA.
The pilgrims were essentially Anglican religious separatists , with certain characteristics , which today wed call a " cult" hence they sought out isolation, to suggest they were denied religious liberties is to mis characterise their position and the tines. Even though with the veil of time it's convenient to present their exodus as the result of some unspecified " persecution" , much more dramatic isnt it.

The ship sailed from Newlyn in Cornwall by the way not Plymouth.

Subsequent immigration to the US was initially driven by land grabbers and opportunists , followed by European farmers looking for expansion and then the economic migrants.

The common perception that people came to the US because of some unspecified " persecution " is largely a myth , the vast majority were merely economic migrants.

Remind me , what " liberties" are been taken away from you and why would they " force you out" ( on a fancy white mans middle class boat , it would seem)

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Did I miss something?? What do crime rates have to do with U.S. healthcare?
The cost of US healthcare is a crime?:-)
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What liberty has been taken away?
These are just some since 9/11

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/07/us...anted=all&_r=0

Let's not talk about all the license we have to have to hunt, fish, marry etc.
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