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Old 20-12-2013, 21:39   #226
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Cuba is a popular vacation spot for Canadians and we've been there many times. An amazing country with incredible people but the poverty is devastating once you are out of the tourist areas. Rum is 20cents a litre in non-tourist towns.

Each province has it's own health care system but they are all pretty similar. None of the services are cross provincial.
Wow, yea I wish we could travel to Cuba. Thanks
For giving a non-biased point of view on your countries healthcare.
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" after a few woring man beers"(post by SV Third day)

Now, are you a working man or a whoring man? Or both?

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Now, are you a working man or a whoring man? Or both?
I have to say after a visit from the Tax Man....I think a little of Both...ha ha ah
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It's the classic argument of the Class Welfare pimps...
That taking money from the evil rich that the poor will be made better.

The only problem with the class welfare argument is that it doesn't have history on it's side. When Govent becomes the means of wealth distribution rather than individuals themselves it doesn't raise the poor up...but bring everyone down to the same miserable but "equal and fair" level.

Why can’t a poor guy start a business these days and rise himself up…..because of the wealth destroying income tax and Govent regulations that make starting up a biz almost impossible.

We have seen the enemy and it is Government.


While in the midst of another class argument on a more political forum, one of the contributors, who by all evidence is a successful investor and stock trader, told us that the biggest corporate gains of the last 40 years have been because of EFFICIENCY. Simply put, companies have become much better at earning more while doing less - layoffs outsourcing, hello China. As we watch the financial industry sector continue to do handsomely while the US "making stuff" economy stagnates, it should be clear to all that corporations have almost found the grail - making money while doing the minimum in tangible production, in the cheapest possible jurisdictions.

This clearly indicates that US corporations... the "market" if you will, are actively harming and cannibalizing the rest of the US economy.

Free-marketers scream "lower taxes!". Tax on wealth, businesses and corporations are LESS now than when the economy was humming along 15+ years ago. So you got the lower taxes now... where's the rising tide? What's the problem?

The interests of "the market" and society are not always co-incident. We are on the threshold of the future our parents dreamed of: more automation, less need for labour. So where's the rest of that promise - the shorter work-weeks, longer vacation time, continuing and low-cost higher education? The workers of the last generation paid in, in sweat. Now, their pensions are being stolen, as well as the future for their kids.

"Why can’t a poor guy start a business these days and rise himself up?" Because in this stumbling economy the purchasing power of the consumer base has been seriously eroded, that's why. Can't sell to people who can't buy.

It's OK. Blame government. Cos that will keep you out of the financial sector's hair, and they'll continue to suck the life out of the US.

* * *

Some European countries are toying with the concept of a basic guaranteed wage. meaning everyone will earn $X (and of course get healthcare, education, etc) whether they work or not... and those who work will be able to earn in excess of that, depending on their skills and market demand. It's actually a very efficient approach - instead of an inefficient piecemeal, fragmented patchwork of aid to the disadvantaged, like in the US, you simply have a solid baseline for everyone. Economists have started to praise the practicality of such an approach.

(I'm now listening for the sound of US heads exploding)
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Wow that sucks man, does Quebec have a different healthcare system than the rest of Canada? I've often wished I could legally not belong to a country and still travel the world freely.

Also another serious question, can Canadians travel to Cuba?
Boatpoker - it is a national healthcare system, with the provinces free to implement health care as they see fit; you were reimbursed by the Ont government for your Quebec out-of pocket costs, yes?

And yes, we do Cuba. Yes there's poverty, yes, it's a dictatorship, but they have done some amazing things, considering the US has been sitting on their jugular for like 60+ years. The people are awesomely nice. When Fidel finally kicks off, I expect the pace of Cuban democratization and development to pick up.
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Some European countries are toying with the concept of a basic guaranteed wage. meaning everyone will earn $X (and of coursehealthcare, education, etc) whether they work or not... and those who work will be able to earn in excess of that, depending on their skills and market demand. It's actually a very efficient approach - instead of an inefficient piecemeal, fragmented patchwork of aid to the disadvantaged, like in the US, you simply have a solid baseline for everyone. Economists have started to praise the practicality of such an approach.

(I'm now listening for the sound of US heads exploding)
No heads exploding, just marveling in the truism that those who don’t know history are certain to repeat it. It's already been tried....the workers’ paradise....I don't remember it working to well when the masterminds running the system can’t keep bread on the shelves and toilet paper on the rollers. But we are told it just hasn’t been tried the right way. The people now are smarter and will avoid the utopian failures of the Leviathan dream. Thousands of years ago it was said that the poor would always be with us, now the smart intellectual class tell us they can cure poverty by making us all poor. No Thanks unfortunately I know too much about history to be sucked into the worker’s paradise lie.
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yes, it's a dictatorship, but they have done some amazing things,.
Sure they have..like tourture, murder and terrorize their population into submission...but they are happy without freedom...so lets go vist and marval at the human suffering.

But ta-da...they have health care...just as long as you don't end up dead for speaking against the Gov.
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While in the midst of another class argument on a more political forum, one of the contributors, who by all evidence is a successful investor and stock trader, told us that the biggest corporate gains of the last 40 years have been because of EFFICIENCY. Simply put, companies have become much better at earning more while doing less - layoffs outsourcing, hello China. As we watch the financial industry sector continue to do handsomely while the US "making stuff" economy stagnates, it should be clear to all that corporations have almost found the grail - making money while doing the minimum in tangible production, in the cheapest possible jurisdictions.

This clearly indicates that US corporations... the "market" if you will, are actively harming and cannibalizing the rest of the US economy.

Free-marketers scream "lower taxes!". Tax on wealth, businesses and corporations are LESS now than when the economy was humming along 15+ years ago. So you got the lower taxes now... where's the rising tide? What's the problem?

The interests of "the market" and society are not always co-incident. We are on the threshold of the future our parents dreamed of: more automation, less need for labour. So where's the rest of that promise - the shorter work-weeks, longer vacation time, continuing and low-cost higher education? The workers of the last generation paid in, in sweat. Now, their pensions are being stolen, as well as the future for their kids.

"Why can’t a poor guy start a business these days and rise himself up?" Because in this stumbling economy the purchasing power of the consumer base has been seriously eroded, that's why. Can't sell to people who can't buy.

It's OK. Blame government. Cos that will keep you out of the financial sector's hair, and they'll continue to suck the life out of the US.

* * *

Some European countries are toying with the concept of a basic guaranteed wage. meaning everyone will earn $X (and of course get healthcare, education, etc) whether they work or not... and those who work will be able to earn in excess of that, depending on their skills and market demand. It's actually a very efficient approach - instead of an inefficient piecemeal, fragmented patchwork of aid to the disadvantaged, like in the US, you simply have a solid baseline for everyone. Economists have started to praise the practicality of such an approach.

(I'm now listening for the sound of US heads exploding)
Sounds pretty much spot-on.
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While in the midst of another class argument on a more political forum, one of the contributors, who by all evidence is a successful investor and stock trader, told us that the biggest corporate gains of the last 40 years have been because of EFFICIENCY. Simply put, companies have become much better at earning more while doing less - layoffs outsourcing, hello China. As we watch the financial industry sector continue to do handsomely while the US "making stuff" economy stagnates, it should be clear to all that corporations have almost found the grail - making money while doing the minimum in tangible production, in the cheapest possible jurisdictions.

This clearly indicates that US corporations... the "market" if you will, are actively harming and cannibalizing the rest of the US economy.

Free-marketers scream "lower taxes!". Tax on wealth, businesses and corporations are LESS now than when the economy was humming along 15+ years ago. So you got the lower taxes now... where's the rising tide? What's the problem?

The interests of "the market" and society are not always co-incident. We are on the threshold of the future our parents dreamed of: more automation, less need for labour. So where's the rest of that promise - the shorter work-weeks, longer vacation time, continuing and low-cost higher education? The workers of the last generation paid in, in sweat. Now, their pensions are being stolen, as well as the future for their kids.

"Why can’t a poor guy start a business these days and rise himself up?" Because in this stumbling economy the purchasing power of the consumer base has been seriously eroded, that's why. Can't sell to people who can't buy.

It's OK. Blame government. Cos that will keep you out of the financial sector's hair, and they'll continue to suck the life out of the US.

* * *

Some European countries are toying with the concept of a basic guaranteed wage. meaning everyone will earn $X (and of course get healthcare, education, etc) whether they work or not... and those who work will be able to earn in excess of that, depending on their skills and market demand. It's actually a very efficient approach - instead of an inefficient piecemeal, fragmented patchwork of aid to the disadvantaged, like in the US, you simply have a solid baseline for everyone. Economists have started to praise the practicality of such an approach.

(I'm now listening for the sound of US heads exploding)
So who pays for all this social engineering ?

Sounds like another of all to many socialist utopian delusions.
The Chinese will love it though.
Do the math !

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> Some European countries are toying with the concept of a basic guaranteed wage. meaning everyone will earn $X (and of course get healthcare, education, etc) whether they work or not

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"Why can’t a poor guy start a business these days and rise himself up?" Because in this stumbling economy the purchasing power of the consumer base has been seriously eroded, that's why. Can't sell to people who can't buy.
I started my business 30 yrs ago in the basement of my parents home with $300 my grandmother gave me. I bought a brief case, a phone, some stationary and business cards. My mom dropped me off at my first sales appointment because I didn't even have a car. I picked up the account.

I often think of the plight of the "line worker" in my business. These are the folks who work hard for medium money and will NEVER become an Executive or high level manager.

All I can say is when the government puts the screws to me with high taxes, regulation and frivolous lawsuits, I turn right around and put the screws to the staff with stagnating wages, reduced benefits and more rigid work rules. The more SEVERE the government gets with me the more SEVERE I get with the staff. They don't quit because all the other employers are doing the same thing. Sad thing is that the Hard Work Medium Money staff are the exact people voting for more government and they are paying the price. What a vicious circle.

I'm just an observer. What I am observing sucks for the people of the USA.
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I started my business 30 yrs ago in the basement of my parents home with $300 my grandmother gave me. I bought a brief case, a phone, some stationary and business cards. My mom dropped me off at my first sales appointment because I didn't even have a car. I picked up the account. I often think of the plight of the "line worker" in my business. These are the folks who work hard for medium money and will NEVER become an Executive or high level manager. All I can say is when the government puts the screws to me with high taxes, regulation and frivolous lawsuits, I turn right around and put the screws to the staff with stagnating wages, reduced benefits and more rigid work rules. The more SEVERE the government gets with me the more SEVERE I get with the staff. They don't quit because all the other employers are doing the same thing. Sad thing is that the Hard Work Medium Money staff are the exact people voting for more government and they are paying the price. What a vicious circle. I'm just an observer. What I am observing sucks for the people of the USA.
Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside! Are your taxes lower or higher than 30 years ago. How about your profit?
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Since it takes many years to build a small business, profit in the early was low but of course, if there was any, the FEDS and Maryland wanted their share immediately slowing and constantly confounding the growth of the little company. Even a staff member making $75k feels the sting of the tax man. As soon as you have two pennies to rub together, they want it.

After about 20 years in business, profits were pretty good every year. High taxes and regulation is the bully of small business in America. It's always tough to grow when so much revenue is being spent on tax, regulation and processes designed to minimize frivolous lawsuits.

But it's ok .. the people want big government and high tax and they vote for it .. and they pay the price for it! More power to them. They may enjoy Hard Work Medium Money forever!

My plan to build America would include special tax incentives for small business … 10% sounds about right and there would need to be some authority going after frivolous lawsuits and those who promote and file them.

Truth is though, I think we have lost the good fight. America is now … socialist.
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