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Old 20-12-2013, 21:13   #211
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Why is public housing a good thing? You obviously haven't been to public housing areas or worked in public housing areas.
I have been to quite a few in Illinois. Public housing is good because housing people that can't afford to buy a house is better then having them break into yours to find a bed. You know social order an all.

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Why is public housing a good thing? You obviously haven't been to public housing areas or worked in public housing areas.
Watch the video that was posted about 1.5 million posts ago. Could be a real eye opener for you.
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The reality is if the rich don't give up some of their record profits and start paying a living wage there will be no one to purchase their products. That's reality, it won't last forever.
It's the classic argument of the Class Welfare pimps...
That taking money from the evil rich that the poor will be made better.

The only problem with the class welfare argument is that it doesn't have history on it's side. When Govent becomes the means of wealth distribution rather than individuals themselves it doesn't raise the poor up...but bring everyone down to the same miserable but "equal and fair" level.

Why cant a poor guy start a business these days and rise himself up..because of the wealth destroying income tax and Govent regulations that make starting up a biz almost impossible.

We have seen the enemy and it is Government.
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It's the classic argument of the Class Welfare pimps...
That taking money from the evil rich that the poor will be made better.

The only problem with the class welfare argument is that it doesn't have history on it's side. When Govent becomes the means of wealth distribution rather than individuals themselves it doesn't raise the poor up...but bring everyone down to the same miserable but "equal and fair" level.

Why can’t a poor guy start a business these days and rise himself up…..because of the wealth destroying income tax and Govent regulations that make starting up a biz almost impossible.

We have seen the enemy and it is Government.
You also need to watch the video.
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It's the classic argument of the Class Welfare pimps...
That taking money from the evil rich that the poor will be made better.

The only problem with the class welfare argument is that it doesn't have history on it's side. When Govent becomes the means of wealth distribution rather than individuals themselves it doesn't raise the poor up...but bring everyone down to the same miserable but "equal and fair" level.

Why can’t a poor guy start a business these days and rise himself up…..because of the wealth destroying income tax and Govent regulations that make starting up a biz almost impossible.

We have seen the enemy and it is Government.
Please tell me about this wealth destroying income tax. Never seen it. In fact the tax on the wealthy has dropped drastically in the last 20-30 years and the true wealthy pay little in income tax, it's mostly capital gains.
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You also need to watch the video.
Been there...seen it...

Not everyone understands Economics, those who don't pay the price.
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It's the classic argument of the Class Welfare pimps...
That taking money from the evil rich that the poor will be made better.

The only problem with the class welfare argument is that it doesn't have history on it's side. When Govent becomes the means of wealth distribution rather than individuals themselves it doesn't raise the poor up...but bring everyone down to the same miserable but "equal and fair" level.

Why can’t a poor guy start a business these days and rise himself up…..because of the wealth destroying income tax and Govent regulations that make starting up a biz almost impossible.

We have seen the enemy and it is Government.
Actually I agree with that last bit, crazy bureaucracy when I started a company in Maryland. ( and frigging zoning rules on home offices !!!) , here I can set up a company online in about 10 minutes. I just did one in Ireland in 30 minutes online , no taxes for three years and 12.5 after that's!! , I can see why Apple, intel , Facebook , google , etc are all there !

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I'm Canadian, living in Ontario, I once broke an arm is Quebec and they would not accept an Ontario health card. In fact they would not treat me at all unless I paid cash in advance.

A few other tidbits............

In Ontario, you will pay nothing for anything you undergo in a hospital... a pretty good deal.

Outside of the hospital is another story. My wife spent six weeks on life support two years ago and it did not cost us a cent. Since she has been out of hospital we have spent 200k on physiotherapy, aquatherapy, reflexology, massage and the biggie - drugs. In the last two years we have also paid for four emergency ambulance trips. In three years she will turn 65 and then all drugs will be paid for. By that time (at 10k per month) we will be penniless.

I have two friends who lost everything (homes, businesses) caring for their severely autistic kids.

When OHIP cards were introduced in Ontario we had a population of 11 million. The bastards produced 18 million cards. I was once offered one for 1k on the street in Buffalo, NY.

Political refugees in Canada get 100% coverage the day they arrive, including all the stuff that is not covered for citizens such as full dental, drugs, eyeglasses.

According to a newspaper article just a few weeks ago there are 4,000 Americans claiming refugee status in Ontario. The maximum Old age security and old age pension combined in Ontario is $1,600 per month. Political refugees get $2,600 a month and it averages five years to resolve their claims.

The grass is greener somewhere I'm sure.
Wow that sucks man, does Quebec have a different healthcare system than the rest of Canada? I've often wished I could legally not belong to a country and still travel the world freely.

Also another serious question, can Canadians travel to Cuba?

Thanks for being cordial and answering my questions.
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Watch the video that was posted about 1.5 million posts ago. Could be a real eye opener for you.
Only if you watch America: Freedom to Fascism. It was created in the bush era
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Only if you watch America: Freedom to Fascism. It was created in the bush era
Damn it we finally agree on something! On that positive note I'm going to bed so I can get up early to go to work to pay my taxes to.......!
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Damn it we finally agree on something! On that positive note I'm going to bed so I can get up early to go to work to pay my taxes to.......!
We're off till 2nd jan , night night
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Wow that sucks man, does Quebec have a different healthcare system than the rest of Canada? I've often wished I could legally not belong to a country and still travel the world freely.

Also another serious question, can Canadians travel to Cuba?

Thanks for being cordial and answering my questions.
Cuba is a popular vacation spot for Canadians and we've been there many times. An amazing country with incredible people but the poverty is devastating once you are out of the tourist areas. Rum is 20cents a litre in non-tourist towns.

Each province has it's own health care system but they are all pretty similar. None of the services are cross provincial.
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Please tell me about this wealth destroying income tax. Never seen it. In fact the tax on the wealthy has dropped drastically in the last 20-30 years and the true wealthy pay little in income tax, it's mostly capital gains.
That's easy.
The US Tax system taxes earned income (hourly wages, salary at a job) at a much higher rate than unearned income (Stocks, Bonds, General Investments). So the poor slob (like us) earning wages loses a much higher percentage of his "wealth" than the citizen building his wealth by investment, stocks, bonds, tax free investments, etc.

The income tax punishes the taxpayers who are trying to create wealth for themselves and family keeping them trapped in the wage earner hampster wheel. In California for example a top wage earner can lose 40% to 53% of his earnings in taxes and will have a much harder time creating wealth than the investor class. What incentive is there to be a top earner in Califonia when your $250K turns into $125K after taxes? Zippo....they work part time, live on a boat and post in internet chat rooms on a friday night rather than busting more ass and creating more good jobs.

Individuals earning wealth is important for the economy, country and future of the economy. Without individuals earning wealth there is no economic growth, no job creation...

You can find a good Economic book at any bookstore giving of course more detail than I can on a Friday night after a few woring man beers....
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Only if you watch America: Freedom to Fascism. It was created in the bush era
Yep...Started under Bush...finished by Obama....
The dymanic duo will be recorded in History as the beginning of the end.

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It appears to me, reading various forums etc that those who complain about the rich and their wealth mostly have careers that depend on some form of Government funded employment either directly or indirectly.

Look at the financial statement of your Fed. Gov. see who pays the massive majority of Federal taxes, I guess there are those who would rather those taxes were given to them under the guise of social equality. socialism works really well until those who have to give have equal to those who want then the society collapses,, ( Greece etc) and some new Countries to follow.

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