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Old 09-10-2015, 06:48   #766
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I do but not anywhere near the experience you are wanting about.

West over ply.

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I do but not anywhere near the experience you are wanting about.

West over ply.

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I guess that West systems was not in the 70s. These vessels will just be GRP and resin over a ply sheet. I need to find a little more out regarding it as opposed to epoxy etc.

bottom line, will the grp over ply still hold good 40 + years on.
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oh i see. Yes. Well, I've seen a few 70's traditionally designed boats for sale with this kind of construction, brand name stuff, but it was fairly recommended to steer away from them from a surveyors POV due to intrusion and difficulty maintenance. I don't remember but I believe they were Canadian built.

Here were talking cats, so certainly it may be easier to maintain if you do find trouble.
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oh i see. Yes. Well, I've seen a few 70's traditionally designed boats for sale with this kind of construction, brand name stuff, but it was fairly recommended to steer away from them from a surveyors POV due to intrusion and difficulty maintenance. I don't remember but I believe they were Canadian built.

Here were talking cats, so certainly it may be easier to maintain if you do find trouble.
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I had a chat to my friendly mate atoll and as he usual, he gave some erudite advice to check out certain things.

Conventional wisdom states that GRP is the best, however reality is that GRP has its own problems which seem to get glossed over and 'accepted' as the norm. Sorry, I dont really think osmosis is an 'acceptable' cost or inevitable as a result of boat ownership. On that basis, I took a look at other boat materials and see that, with careful maintenance, wood or grp over wood can be equally long lived and just as sturdy.

I have had wood boats before from cross diagonal mahogany to Plywood. A yearly task of sanding and painting, varnishing for the planking bit seems no more work than polishing or drying out to fill blisters on grp.

Dont think I would like a huge boat in planking, but Ply seems a better deal pricewise for up to a 30 footer. If the GRP was applied properly over it, then it could be a good 'un for a modestly priced coastal runabout or more.
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Are you back in the market to buy a small live aboard cat? Why not look outside your immediate area, maybe over towards Croatia and tap into the used ex charter stuff?
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Re: The Mallorca Squad

Osmosis on older generation GRP was a much greater problem than it is now. OH says that at some point, '90's perhaps, the gelcoat material changed from an epoxy to polyester resin & this new material doesn't allow water molecules to penetrate & thus cause osmosis. A newer & better material yet is vinylester. So osmosis far less of a problem on newer boats than older ones. Perhaps it is even a non issue now, and of course osmosis was always a far greater problem in warm water than cold.

On a positive note, happiness is watching dolphins romp in the anchorage in the morning! Who'd think we would be seeing them in Palma Nova, but this is the 2nd time this trip.


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On that basis, I took a look at other boat materials and see that, with careful maintenance, wood or grp over wood can be equally long lived and just as sturdy..
Now i know you've completely lost it, Weavis. Sorry. I've spent enough time around traditional woodies and never again.

You're chasing a toothpick, an expensive one. Epoxy over A/A I appreciate, but good luck finding wood in the South Pacific or anywhere else.

I think you should look at Steel or alum if you want an alternative material.

But I think you've caught a serious case of daydream bug and you're spinning in the YachtWorld dreams right now.

Time for you to go sailing to shake that fall regatta disease, aye?
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Now i know you've completely lost it, Weavis. Sorry. I've spent enough time around traditional woodies and never again.

You're chasing a toothpick, an expensive one. Epoxy over A/A I appreciate, but good luck finding wood in the South Pacific or anywhere else.

I think you should look at Steel or alum if you want an alternative material.

But I think you've caught a serious case of daydream bug and you're spinning in the YachtWorld dreams right now.

Time for you to go sailing to shake that fall regatta disease, aye?
Calm your Pan Paniscus you loveable Bonabo you.

Ive had wood boats. I prefered Glass over Ply. I would only look at Glass over ply if, according to the carefully discussed points made by my South West coast senior advisor atoll were met.

PS.......... the Centaur is up here where I am now, and guess who will be doing the cold Autumn sailing in due course?

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Well thunder my underwear.

I'm going to move to Yorkshire and become a moorland wikkar. It's just as much fun and there are no saily silly salties.

No knobbling woodies for me.
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Well thunder my underwear.

I'm going to move to Yorkshire and become a moorland wikkar. It's just as much fun and there are no saily silly salties.

No knobbling woodies for me.
Party pooper... and other types as well.................
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No Moorland walking for me.......... gone cold.
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Well thunder my underwear.

I'm going to move to Yorkshire and become a moorland wikkar. It's just as much fun and there are no saily silly salties.

No knobbling woodies for me.
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I guess that West systems was not in the 70s. These vessels will just be GRP and resin over a ply sheet. I need to find a little more out regarding it as opposed to epoxy etc.

bottom line, will the grp over ply still hold good 40 + years on.
Maybe this will develop some info that'll help.

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Thanks.
Been looking at it this morning.

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Re: The Mallorca Squad

Weavis, seeing that apparently Atoll has you leaning to go over to the dark side (cats), I just came across this addition in our classified that might fit the bill for you. Apparently they have crossed oceans, AND they can do the French canals.

Would give you two options to get to the Med.

Oh, and it is affordable.

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...-a-154531.html
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