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Old 08-02-2007, 11:34   #46
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John, my boat is 45ft, 26ton has a 3/4 keel with a draught of 6'9". I was in stuff similar to this and my boat was being launched almost clear of the wave top as well. We would be lifted up the very steep face. Remember these are breakers and have some speed behind them. So we are talking an almost verticle face. Our waves were no different. The bow would smack into the face and I have a green wall of water towering over me. The bow would shoot up, the wave rushin underneah and has the boat lifted and went over the top, the momentum held the bow in the air till the boat literlay dropped off the back down the other side. I had at least 50% of the hull clear of the water, possible as much as 75% at times. It was a truely scary situation and damn uncomfortable and certainly and experiance I do not want to experiance ever again. I was surprised at the soft landing, but I suspect due to the keel parting the water as we landed. I imagine Belle with her flat hull would have slammed onto the surface with the risk of damaging mast. From what I have personly experianced, I can well believe what Belle went through is quite feasible.
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Old 08-02-2007, 11:44   #47
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I am being a little naughty here, posting a photo not knowing it's source. But I do think it maybe Knottybouyz, so I will go with that at the mo.
It show's just how high a large vessel can be launched off a wave.
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Also, I think in the photo in question, it's not so much a matter of the speed of the boat, as it is the shape and speed of the wave. It only looks like the boat is launching off the wave. In reality, I'm sure the boat is doing a few knots, like we all do, and the wave is moving quickly under it. Momentum would keep the boat in place while the wave's face (well, backside face - is that the wave's *ss??) drops out. So... more of a boat falling in place than "launching" off the wave due to the boat's incredible speed.

Hope they had their thru hull hoses double clamped for that landing... ha ha
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Old 08-02-2007, 13:53   #49
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So Wheels, tell me which of the photos is the real shot? The one in your post above, or this one (found on the Dalgety Bay Sailing Club site)? The full size image can be found at http://www.dalgetybaysc.org/Photos/0059.jpg

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Old 08-02-2007, 14:06   #50
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It's probably not a fair photo to ask me as I know which is Ricks photo. As I undersand it, it is snapped by him from the coastgard.
But it is very obviouse this shot can not be real. It looks like an oil painting on my monitor.
But hey, I am not trying to argue in what is real or not here. I know the photo of Belle is real. Are you trying to debate that still or??? I ain't really following. If you wish to believe otherwise, well hey that's your perogitive and I am not goign to get into an argument with you.
I still don't see what you whom are saying it doesn't look real are actually seeing. The boat is not that high off the water. Only a few ft. The wave is traveling at some speed under. It only "looks" worse than it really is. I don't get this argument sorry.
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Not trying to argue anything here. I have stated my opinion and have simply been suggesting that photos in this digital age cannot be trusted. I say that from the perspective of one who used to manage a graphic art department, as well as one who has spent a lot of time on the water, including work in the Gulf of Alaska and Bering Sea (big, big water).
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This was one of my favorites.



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Now I have put that photo through my 1200zpk premium photo processor and the result is it is 100% authentic. When I blew the pixels up 20 trillion times I could see the dna in the sharks mouth.
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And the white of the eyes of the diver and that the water dripping from the divers legs ain't seawater :-)
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Faked - or what?



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Faked, but OK folks, lets not get off topic here.
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Faked, but OK folks, lets not get off topic here.
But, but, but, . . . this is the "Off Topic Forum."
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"Off Topic" must still remain losely related to boating. Surfing I suppose could be argued that the board is a floataion device and it's water it's floating in.
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I am being a little naughty here, posting a photo not knowing it's source. But I do think it maybe Knottybouyz, so I will go with that at the mo.
It show's just how high a large vessel can be launched off a wave.



Going by my experience, the situation portrayed in Alan's photo looks very realistic. If you look at the whole length of the wave, you'll note that the trough is deep the whole way across (port & starboard of vessel). Have been past the offshore gas rigs off Taranaki[1] (Maui platform's) many times (on route to deep sea fishing grounds), those 100'+ steel supply vessels can get thrown around when she blows a real stinker out there.

Have been through a number of waves like this myself, you start wondering if you've cracked frames after a hard landing. In the 90's, there was a 70' troller that was built down Alan's way (F.V. Genesis) that cracked her frames coming off a wave like this.

[1] FYI: Any Kiwi's calling into the Port of New Plymouth (Taranaki) should be aware of the surge (2m+) during a storm (we broke our moorings & damaged our bollards with the surge stress), have witness large tankers break their moorings & then having to be towed out to sea by multiple tugs plus using their own propulsion.

Re: Maui B platform with tankers & supply vessel (re: nzcoastalshipping.com):


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just a normal day at the Mana bar
Ahh Manukau. Have surfed the bar into there a couple of times myself

Edit: unless you mean Mana just around the corner from WGTN?

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I have been over many bars in small boats, have made beach launchings in Cray boats on the east coast (some Kiwis will know what that's about)
Yep. have been may times to the small fishing villages such as Ngawi (west of Cape Palliser) & Castle Point (east coast) where they use the bulldozers & trailers to launch & retrieve the boats from the beaches.

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I stated above that I would never attempt a bar crossing. ... I aint' trying it in my current heavey displacement 6'9" keel boat.
In a blow, between a light boat & a full keeler, I'd probably take the full keeler. If it was really rough, then I'd probably consider throwing a drogue over the stern to help keep the nose straight.

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Plus i was younger back then :-)
I knew an old salt who was 65 & he was still doing it

FYI: I came across a document published by an Institute in Nelson, it states that b/w 1985-2005 that 23 fisherman have been lost on both the Westport & Greymouth bars.
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