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Old 07-02-2007, 13:40   #31
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Hi Raven,
Not sure who asked for a vote on authenticity. If Wheels says its genuine surely you are not doubting his word?
But following your suggestion I also zoomed in via photoshop and do not get the same results you did......
IMHO the backflow off the wave at keel base, the airborne anchor, all indicate to me its simply jumping off the back of an incoming wave.

Nothing special about that action, except in this case a camera mans in the right place at right time. I'm sure if anyone was going to fudge a picture - they'd do it off a more dramitic scene than this.

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Awww... crap. I was looking more at the water and such which is the hardest part to fake if it were a fake. I didn't look at the boat at all!

I guess I wouldn't be a good forensics guy.

Oddly, we have mouths of rivers with much current (6 knots) and standing waves at the entrances. It just doesn't work like the bars do though. Interesting.
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Hi Raven,
Not sure who asked for a vote on authenticity.
No one did. It's just my own unsolicited, friendly response to an image that does not look real.


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If Wheels says its genuine surely you are not doubting his word?.
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Wheels, is this a picture that you shot? If not, what is its source?


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Nothing special about that action, except in this case a camera mans in the right place at right time. I'm sure if anyone was going to fudge a picture - they'd do it off a more dramitic scene than this.
Nothing special about the action? Hmmm.
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Old 07-02-2007, 21:38   #34
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It's a fair enough question. It's hard to the difference in fact and fiction these days.

Is it real?? Well let me fill you in.
The photo is of the sailboat Belle. She was on a trip from Manly Qld to Brisbane. The photo was taken by Stephen Matters. Apart from that, I only knew him as I know you guy's, by internet connection only. I have no reason to doubt the guy, but I can not prove it is not hoax. However, if you look close enough, you can see all the rigging, the anchor is off the foredeck and the spray is pushing forward of the boat and onto the imediate area of the back of the wave. I honestly do not see this as fake. Fake has too many tell tale signs of which I see none.
The discussion we were having was on bar crossings and this guy talked about Ozy bars. I have tried to search the archives but came up with nothing. I remember it being a long time back. I thought it was on this board, but maybe it wasn't. I am very sorry folks, but a struggle with a huge memory loss problem and things can get hazy and mixed together.

Does any of the very originals here remember this guy??

Can any of our Oz friends fill us in on what bar this maybe?? Is there a Bar at Manly itself or is there a river between Manly and Brisbane that the boat may have crossed??
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How about wide bay bar. The story is here although I can't help but wonder where the shrouds and backstays are myself. Not a pixel of them remains.
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Maybe you need a better Monitor. I can see the shrouds and backstays. Hard to see, but I can see them.
Thanks for the link. That was a good read. And intersting to see the Photo was taken by Dan Jenner. Stephen must have been onboard Belle.
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Maybe you need a better Monitor. I can see the shrouds and backstays. Hard to see, but I can see them.
Thanks for the link. That was a good read. And intersting to see the Photo was taken by Dan Jenner. Stephen must have been onboard Belle.
Fair enough! I might need a better monitor. Yay! going computer shopping!
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I've got a good monitor, a top of the line video card, a reasonable spec'd computer, but still only running Win98. I finaly have all the bigs sorted and I am reluctant to upgrade :-)
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Manly, Qld?

From this Manly to Brisbane?
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ill put in a vote for the It's real crowd, if you are going as fast as that boat would be going your mainsail isnt going to be drawing anymore as i reckon you would generate a small amount of apparent wind
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I showed this picture to my girlfriend last night and her reaction was:

"Ummm.. no"

I suspect she didn't think it would be one of the happier moments in sailing, and I can't disagree with her.
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It's not surfing but the next best thing - planing a 30 foot sailboat before 30 knot breeze...........



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How do they do that?

Okay, so how is it that a displacement boat of that size (how many tons?) gets thrown vertically (five, maybe six feet of air under the entire hull) and the wave shows no evidence of being parted or disturbed in any way beyond a bit of spray?
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Hi Raven,
Assume you are still talking about the red hulled wave jumper - I'd guess she's possibly a 7-9 ton raceboat? Theres a good deal more than 5/6 foot of hull exposed - maybe 20!
My intepretation of the picture is the boat was heading out offshore against the wave - before an offshore breeze (you can see the breeze also lifting the spray off the wave top).
I'd also guess she was under motor - and went straight at the incoming wave to get through as opposed to tossed back. I'd be under max revs if it were me.
Whatever weight she was, she could easily have been lifted by that wave - and clearly none of us can see that impact on the shoreside wave face (as we are viewing from offshore).
But the photos captured her at the wave top and just before the wave rolled away underneath. You can see shes in the act of dropping - backed top to main and airborne loose anchor.
I'd also guess she came down with a big bang (as the wave has no back to speak of) ........ but it's exactly the scenario you'd expect in such a seaway.
And in regard to how unusual this scene is - practically such wave jumping happens hundreds of times over a four days race in the Sydney Hobart - when the wind is almost guaranteed to oppose the strong currents on that route and create very steep backless waves.
Which after several such thumps - is why so many get damaged.

I suspect you'll prove hard to convince - but it all looks genuine to me.
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Hard to convince

John,

When I referred to the 5 to 6 feet of air under the boat, I was talking vertical, using the keel as reference.

You're right, I'll be a hard one to convince.
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