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Old 13-11-2015, 20:24   #286
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Since the last reset in 1929, the destruction of purchasing power has been accelerating. In "the Speech" (1962?) Ronald Reagan said compared to the 1939 dollar, at the time of "the Speech" its purchasing power was down to about $0.43c (for gold bugs, this should be pause for thought, as that was during the gold standard).

What we have experienced, is massive, out of control, currency counterfeiting (Public Debt, naked Credit, devaluation, QE, TARP, etc ALL of that is fungible with money, and it is currency counterfeiting).

This may come as a bit of a shock, and the pricing is relative to take home pay in 1973 as a factory worker, making components for cars (I did it to save up to get married to the Witch Queen of some frozen wasteland, and I was lucky to find out what she was REALLY like, before going down the aisle).

For my take home pay in 1973, I was able to buy certain amounts of goods of a certain value a year.

For example, in British Pounds, to buy the same value in pints of beer in a pub today, as a factory worker, I would have to take home well over 800,000 a year.

In pints of cider, I would have to take home well over 1,250,000 a year (that's knocking on the door of $2,000,000 a year in equivalent purchasing power).

In equivalent new homes, about 1,000,000 a year.

Certain small cars, over 600,00 a year, in Ferrari's (I almost bought one in 1973 when I had the lucky split with the Demon Queen), somewhere north of $1,600,000 equivalent.

What this was, was the boiled frog approach, as UK prices were brought into line with the EEC/EU.

I only twigged this was the case, when I saw Countries in Eastern Europe experience the accelerated price increase imposition. It was almost as bad in Spain and Portugal.

For example Bulgaria, within 6 months of joining the EU, prices were at EU levels.

But average wages in Bulgaria, were still less than 30 euros a week.

We are being absolutely robbed blind.

We are about at the point where the fat lady starts singing. When every table in the Casino is rigged, and you go outside the Casino, and everything there is rigged as well, it is "Tilt! Game Over!"

Fundamentals are now more than twice as bad as they were in 1929, and nothing has been fixed since 2008, all that has happened, is the can has continued to be kicked, and things made much worse.

Buckle up, this is going to be incredible, and not in a nice way. The lunatics that have taken over the asylum, don't even begin to comprehend what they have to do to sort out the mess they have made.

PS. Those relative prices clearly illustrate that we haven't been living in a Capitalist system, since at least 1973. In a Capitalist system, due to competition, and increases in efficiency, there is always mild deflation (which is healthy to an economy, great for savers, great for pensioners, great for workers, etc). Throughout the 20th Century, for example the price of cars steadily decreased up until 1973.

Your parents should have paid less for stuff than your grandparents did, and you should be paying less for stuff than your parents did.

The extent of the fraud, looting, pillaging, plundering, and asset stripping that we have experienced, and not even realised it, is simply breathtaking. If it wasn't so darned serious, that people somehow think what we have is "Capitalism", would be absolutely hilarious.

PPS. That purchasing power is based on takehome pay for a basic week. It doesn't include the substantial extra I had for overtime (plenty of it) and production bonuses (plenty of it).

Let me explain what Capitalism is. It's an African farmer, growing their crops, and taking them to Market to sell them. Wherever you are in the World, that's it, it's the exact same thing. It's the small and medium sized businesses that used to provide around 70% of the jobs.

All of whom have been absolutely slaughtered in the fake Market, in the decades since.
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Hi Ribbit, by that stage ( 1962ish) we were already off a true gold standard, although gold was considered to back the dollar, sorry I can't remember the differences of the top of my head. I'm not suggesting a true gold standard is the answer now, in fact I have no idea what the solution is. I certainly agree with what you say regarding purchasing power. Money or currency for a better word needs to be pegged or governed by something other wise what has and is happening will always happen. I'm in Indonesia right now with several million rupiah in my pocket, it's printed on cheap wrinkly paper and the coins don't even seem real, it really gets me thinking about the inherit value of what we call money! Everything has a life span including monetary systems, our monetary system has changed several times in the last 100 years and I believe it is changing again now. Remember the pound stirling was considered the, or a reserve currency early last century but isn't now. Interesting times.
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Old 14-11-2015, 00:56   #288
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I'm not American , republican or democrate. There are no bad guys or good guys as I just don't know enough about your politics or system, I dont like our dislike Alan Greenspan but I remember reading this sometime back. And I'm not a good bug.
"The abandonment of the gold standard made it possible for the welfare statists to use the banking system as a means to an unlimited expansion of credit. In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation. There is no safe store of value. Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the hidden confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights. If one grasps this, one has no difficulty in understanding the statists' antagonism toward the gold standard."

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Lures & tree stands? That's not "hunting"!
Hunting is different in different terrain and location. We hunt in a pressured area in Southern Maine, primarily heavily wooded with few open fields and more people around than in Canada or the mid west. Lures such as rattling antlers and calls are essential and require some talent and practice to use successfully (or in our case unsuccessfully). Deer Scent stuff is a waste of money... and food/feed is never used and illegal.

Would you go fishing without a fishing pole or hooks? Is grabbing a fish with your bare hands the only true way of fishing?
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Good clarification, I was wondering about the lure thing also, and I bet StuM was thinking feed, like I was. Calls and rattlers are completely different.

Tree stand legality must differ between states? Where I am from, tree stands were only allowed for bow hunting.

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Jeez, I run down the road @55mph, with my head lights on and the moose come out of everywhere to stand in front of my vehicle on the highway, I don't even have to use a gun, put a schedule 80 pipe frame on my front end and a winch with an A frame in the back of my truck, all finished in no time, one trip to town and I have a winter's worth of meat.
Moose are the way to go when hunting for meat. MUCH easier to hunt than the very wily whitetail! I entered my wife in Maine's moose permit lottery this year. I was ineligible because I shot one 2 years ago and you are ineligible for 3 years after that so I thought I'd sort of be her proxy hunter. Against all odds, on her first year in the lottery, she was chosen with me listed as her sub permittee which means I could carry a rifle and hunt with her. I had no idea she had any interest in being involved beyond the moose being legally in her name. But she said she wanted to actually learn to shoot and hunt so she took a 2 day hunter safety course and over the last few weeks of the summer (in between sailing and working at my job and working on the boat) I took her out to the local gravel pit and taught her to shoot and ending up buying her a (30.06) rifle of her own so she could have just one weapon to allow her to become well accustomed to, and off we went to Maine's north woods to hunt for a moose. Her permit was for a bull only and we saw dozens of cows within easy shooting range, but all the bulls we saw were either out of range or running or too far from a road for retrieval. With about an hour left on the last day of hunting, she shot and killed a 832# field dressed bull moose which now resides in our freezer. Tasty, lean meat and so much easier to hunt for than a whitetail! Whether you shoot a deer or not, time spent in the Maine woods contemplating nature this time of year is not wasted. But good luck in your pursuit of a whitetail Ken!
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Whether you shoot a deer or not, time spent in the Maine woods contemplating nature this time of year is not wasted. But good luck in your pursuit of a whitetail Ken!

How can you "contemplate nature" one moment and kill a moose the next.? Your minds must be pretty fast in the paradigm shift, or perhaps your version of "nature" has some weird baggage and it's not that difficult to kill a moose.
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How can you "contemplate nature" one moment and kill a moose the next.? Your minds must be pretty fast in the paradigm shift, or perhaps your version of "nature" has some weird baggage and it's not that difficult to kill a moose.
I spend more than 30 days 12-24 hours per day out in nature experiencing all of it each year. Mostly during the winter. You will never understand what we're talking about until you do the same. Most years... no deer are shot but the experience continues....

I'm not going to waste the energy arguing about hunting being good or bad with you since chances are your mind is already made up. So far this season I've had the opportunity to spend an hour visiting with two female deer sleeping at the base of my treestand. They remained there up until a 60 pound coyote chased them away. Birds squirrels and critters of all kinds around me everyday. A snowy owl spent a half hour hunting within 10 feet of me last season. A fantastic smart bird. We just sat there looking at each other enjoying the company.

These are magical moments you will never know.
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Hunting is different in different terrain and location. We hunt in a pressured area in Southern Maine, primarily heavily wooded with few open fields and more people around than in Canada or the mid west. Lures such as rattling antlers and calls are essential and require some talent and practice to use successfully (or in our case unsuccessfully). Deer Scent stuff is a waste of money... and food/feed is never used and illegal.

Would you go fishing without a fishing pole or hooks? Is grabbing a fish with your bare hands the only true way of fishing?
As Colemj surmised, I was indeed thinking of "feed" when you said lures.

Nothing wrong with imitating a stag to draw him into range. I used to be a dab hand at "roaring" in Red and Sika stags. (the latter being a literal "pain in the neck" to imitate)

Please accept my apologies, guess I've seen too many episodes on the Outdoor Channel of feeding in front of stands.
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If you read the first post of this thread.... it would be an understatement to say it has gone wildly off topic. But it is fun to watch the mind at work.

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But this is the "off topic" section...
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Expensive stuff and money to deer hunting. ...ummm! Lol.

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Moose hunting is easier than deer hunting until you pull the trigger/release the arrow. A moose down in Spatzizi, with the nearest road 12 miles away can make grouse hunting look like a good idea.

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Expensive stuff and money to deer hunting. ...ummm! Lol.
The money spent on deer hunting is put in over many years, 20 in my case with scattered success over the years. When averaged out, it doesn't cost much per year, and the time spent..... is free time. It costs just pennies compared to yachting.

But... the cost of the actual meat is very high all things considered. Money spend vs successful hunts.

Two days ago, those squirrels started looking tasty.
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How can you "contemplate nature" one moment and kill a moose the next.? Your minds must be pretty fast in the paradigm shift, or perhaps your version of "nature" has some weird baggage and it's not that difficult to kill a moose.
Do you fish? I don't see any difference between hunting and fishing in this regard.

The greatest paradigm shift a mind must make is to enjoy a bucolic rolling farmland scene and then go pick out some meat at the grocery store.

Well, I guess that would be a total disconnect rather than a paradigm shift...

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