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18-02-2017, 08:56
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Marine Service Provider
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Spratly Islands, a real potential HOT spot
I had an old friend warn me years ago about the potential flash point that these islands in the South China Sea could be. We've let our guard down while screwing around in the middle east, and now we are at a tough spot to reverse the damage. China is in control of a major navigation route utilized in round the world shipping,...
....new video with a good synopsis
Why China is building islands in the South China Sea
China claims they aren't military bases, but its actions say otherwise.
http://www.vox.com/videos/2017/2/17/...sea-us-islands
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18-02-2017, 09:11
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cruiser
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Re: Spratly Islands, a real potential HOT spot
Administration needs a hot war distraction quickly anyway, between Iran and China, whichever gives a pretext first wins.
Big boost to the economy will be a nice bonus. . .
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18-02-2017, 19:34
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Marine Service Provider
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Re: Spratly Islands, a real potential HOT spot
Just what we need,...another stupid mistake like Iraq
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18-02-2017, 19:49
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Re: Spratly Islands, a real potential HOT spot
China believes the whole SE Asian sea should be under their control, and the Philippines should just be happy that China is only taking over a few atolls.
And yes they are Chinese Navy bases set up to control the region. They also do not recognize any US presence in the area and believe that the US should stay away from Asian waters.
Whether we agree or not, this is their agenda and they have the power to make it happen. There is no SE Asian country that is strong enough to oppose them, and the US is not about to go to war over it.
I personally would avoid sailing anywhere close to these disputed islands as the Chinese patrol boats are not friendly to cruisers.
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18-02-2017, 20:11
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Re: Spratly Islands, a real potential HOT spot
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Originally Posted by SV Windrush II
the US is not about to go to war over it.
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Says who? What is this single-minded entity "the US" of which you speak?
Armaments manufacturers, military / intelligence / security contractors and their lobbyists, the top x% interested in wealth and power above all else on the one hand
Those who genuinely care about the interests of the common people on the other
Who holds the real power?
They don't need a real reason, just a pretext. Gulf of Tonkin, remember the Maine?
The rich get richer, the corrupt political operators strengthen their hold on power, US dominance is asserted, excess labor gets trimmed. . .
Seems inevitable, and not far off, the more the administration's looking shaky, sooner they need the distraction, we won't want to change horses mid stream.
Only question is maybe the middle east remains a softer less risky target.
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19-02-2017, 01:17
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Senior Cruiser
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Re: Spratly Islands, a real potential HOT spot
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Originally Posted by john61ct
Says who? What is this single-minded entity "the US" of which you speak?
Armaments manufacturers, military / intelligence / security contractors and their lobbyists, the top x% interested in wealth and power above all else on the one hand
Those who genuinely care about the interests of the common people on the other
Who holds the real power?
They don't need a real reason, just a pretext. Gulf of Tonkin, remember the Maine?
The rich get richer, the corrupt political operators strengthen their hold on power, US dominance is asserted, excess labor gets trimmed. . .
Seems inevitable, and not far off, the more the administration's looking shaky, sooner they need the distraction, we won't want to change horses mid stream.
Only question is maybe the middle east remains a softer less risky target.
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From that rant' I think I can guess your political leanings fairly accurately.
Here which one would you like:
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19-02-2017, 02:53
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Re: Spratly Islands, a real potential HOT spot
I think you will find Asia much more practical in managing conflicts than in the Middle East.
Not helpful when Breitbart's Steve Bannon predicts war in the next 5 to 10 years.
This may be why the Philippines are pivoting away from the U S
http://news.abs-cbn.com/focus/11/24/...ppines-analyst
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19-02-2017, 04:03
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Re: Spratly Islands, a real potential HOT spot
From an outside view it appears that war is an important part of the USA's economic strategy and has been for many years.
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19-02-2017, 05:52
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Re: Spratly Islands, a real potential HOT spot
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Originally Posted by robert sailor
From an outside view it appears that war is an important part of the USA's economic strategy and has been for many years.
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The British Empire held Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Tonga, Fiji, Western Samoa, India, Burma, Papa New Guinea, Malaya, Sarawak, Brunei, Oman, Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Sudan, Kenya, Uganda, Northern and Southern Rhodesia, Tanganyika, Zanzibar, Mauritius, the Maldives, South Africa, Swaziland, Nigeria, Gold Coast, and Sierra Leone, among other countries during its reign. It has also held a portion of the present day United States and China.
Was it done without conflict or subjugation? Seems quite the benefit. And I don't recall and recent wars the U.S. was involved in alone.
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19-02-2017, 06:28
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Re: Spratly Islands, a real potential HOT spot
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Originally Posted by Madwand
The British Empire held Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Tonga, Fiji, Western Samoa, India, Burma, Papa New Guinea, Malaya, Sarawak, Brunei, Oman, Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Sudan, Kenya, Uganda, Northern and Southern Rhodesia, Tanganyika, Zanzibar, Mauritius, the Maldives, South Africa, Swaziland, Nigeria, Gold Coast, and Sierra Leone, among other countries during its reign. It has also held a portion of the present day United States and China.
Was it done without conflict or subjugation? Seems quite the benefit. And I don't recall and recent wars the U.S. was involved in alone.
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No I agree the USA always found some willing partners including us but we drew the line on Iraq, even we Billy Bob Canadians couldn't bring ourselves to believe the BS stories about Weapons of Mass Destruction plus what did Iraq have to do with the terrorists in Afghanistan? Great war for the military subcontractors in the USA though. The downside was that war singlehandedly created ISIS and all the current huge problems in the middle east. If you look at your history since WW2 you will find only small gaps between wars your country has participated in, just the way it is. We always support your country unless it's drop dead obvious that it's just wrong.
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19-02-2017, 06:34
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Re: Spratly Islands, a real potential HOT spot
All of which is true. But to complain the U.S. is always starting wars when the UK has been stealing entire countries and their resources through aggression and subjugation for its entire existence is disingenuous. Just sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder.
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19-02-2017, 07:49
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Re: Spratly Islands, a real potential HOT spot
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Originally Posted by Madwand
the UK has been stealing entire countries and their resources through aggression and subjugation for its entire existence is disingenuous.
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I do think it clear that a lot of the political problems that we're dealing with today and have dealt with in the last 50-100 years evolved from the UKs traditional colonial policies. How many "countries" did they create around the world from disparate groups that happened to live in the same region? Groups that often did not share language, culture or religion and in many cases hated each other or were hereditary enemies.
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19-02-2017, 08:07
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Registered User
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Re: Spratly Islands, a real potential HOT spot
I had an old friend warn me years ago about the potential flash point that these islands in the South China Sea could be. We've let our guard down while screwing around in the middle east, and now we are at a tough spot to reverse the damage. China is in control of a major navigation route utilized in round the world shipping,...
Was his name Tom Clancy ?
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19-02-2017, 08:15
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Re: Spratly Islands, a real potential HOT spot
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Originally Posted by Madwand
All of which is true. But to complain the U.S. is always starting wars when the UK has been stealing entire countries and their resources through aggression and subjugation for its entire existence is disingenuous. Just sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder.
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I can't debate your position either as the British did indeed steal other countries, having said that they came on the heels of the Spanish and Portuguese. I can say if given a choice of who was going to steal my country I would choose Britain. Their laws and institutions are what contributed to where we are today. Nope no chip on my shoulder, always enjoy debating someone who informs himself
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19-02-2017, 08:25
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Senior Cruiser
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Re: Spratly Islands, a real potential HOT spot
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Originally Posted by robert sailor
No I agree the USA always found some willing partners including us but we drew the line on Iraq, even we Billy Bob Canadians couldn't bring ourselves to believe the BS stories about Weapons of Mass Destruction plus what did Iraq have to do with the terrorists in Afghanistan? Great war for the military subcontractors in the USA though. The downside was that war singlehandedly created ISIS and all the current huge problems in the middle east. If you look at your history since WW2 you will find only small gaps between wars your country has participated in, just the way it is. We always support your country unless it's drop dead obvious that it's just wrong.
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Actually canada was quite heavily involved in Iraq . They are also rather heavily involved in the military activities in Afghanistan as well
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cana...fghanistan_War
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