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Old 09-10-2009, 13:20   #91
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... my personal observation is that smoking is highly reverse correlated to eduction and income ...
Your observation seens to be valid, especially for Americans; perhaps less so elsewhere in the world.

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You mean there is a big wide world out there beyond my little universe?? Naw, couldn't be.
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Sure, right up to the point you get upwind of me.
Well, THAT isn't likely to happen. However, it's a free country...here. (no aspersions toward Canada, folks, just pokin' at Alchemy, so don't get all wound up ) But if I'm upwind of you and you can smell it, your trespassing on my property.

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So, did you smoke in the car with your kids?
Nope and you can leave my kids out of it. Don't get personal.
See? This is what I am talking about. You automatically lump me in with the irreverant and disrespectful heathen of this planet that don't have any home training. mm...mmm..mm!
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Well, THAT isn't likely to happen. However, it's a free country...here. (no aspersions toward Canada, folks, just pokin' at Alchemy, so don't get all wound up ) But if I'm upwind of you and you can smell it, your trespassing on my property.


Nope and you can leave my kids out of it. Don't get personal.
See? This is what I am talking about. You automatically lump me in with the irreverant and disrespectful heathen of this planet that don't have any home training. mm...mmm..mm!
I wasn't getting personal. With all the talk on the supposed bullcrap science on second-hand smoke, you might have smoked in the car with your kids because you sincerely believe it's not harmful. So I didn't "automatically" do a damn thing. If anything, I'm hoping to "lump you in" with the smokers who actually prefer not to share their habit with others due to proximity. So please don't lump me in with the Puritans. We all have bad habits...mine just aren't airborne, except on Chili Night, maybe.

My parents both smoked in the car when I was growing up (in the late '60s/early '70s). In a fricking Volkswagen with the windows rolled up. My sister still has chronic bronchitis...and while I can't prove a correlation, I sure know she didn't have it until several years of hotboxing it involuntarily with my now-dead folks.
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... Oh hell yes, my personal observation is that smoking is highly reverse correlated to eduction and income...
It might be. Suppose it is. So what?

Can't see the point. Unless the point is to make a statement. But how does it relate to the thread?

Is the meaning: "smoking sailors come from uneducated and poor background"?

PLS clarify the intended relationship btw your post and the thread.

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I will ocasionally will smoke a pipe (once every month or so). I hate seeing cigarette butts laying around (I am a clean freak). No one can argue that smoking is bad for you.

But, what it come down to me is a liberty issue.

I owned a restaurant, I did not allow somoking, but it was my descion. But had I allowed smoking, so what. It is not the goverments business. They did not make my morgage payment or insurance payments. If someone didn't want to come to my place of business because of the smoking, thats up to them. Just as I had some people who wouldn't come because of my no smoking policy. It amazes me that we allow the goverment to tell us what we can do on private property. It will eventually be illegal to smoke anywhere, because everyday we allow the goverment to take another small bite out of our liberties.. Eventually the elephant will be eaten.

How long has it been since the goverment gave us more freedom?
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I see this as a very clear choice of the rules imposed on a boat by the resident skipper and crew, and a choice of whether to visit or not

If the people in a boat want to smoke that is their concern.
If people dont smoke, but visit their vessel, that is their choice.

I dont smoke (anymore) and will only accept people smoking on the upperdeck downwind on my boat. Again as a smoker visiting my vessel - those are my rules, make up your own mind if you want to visit.

What else is there to discuss?
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"Halifax Nova Scotia is in the process of banning smoking in open air public areas where kids may be present... i.e beaches etc.
I think it is a great idea..... "

I take issue with people who think it's a "great idea" for the goverment to take away freedoms from people. How much second hand smoke can you take in on a beach? Get a life!
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"Halifax Nova Scotia is in the process of banning smoking in open air public areas where kids may be present... i.e beaches etc.
I think it is a great idea..... "

I take issue with people who think it's a "great idea" for the goverment to take away freedoms from people. How much second hand smoke can you take in on a beach? Get a life!
Take issue my friend. What about the non smokers, whose freedom for fresh air is being taken away, or the butts that smokers throw away to pollute my beach space. Take a walk down the beach, street, harbour or Ayers Rock, the biggest mess is always from cigarette butts.
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I've found a foolproof way to handle the second hand smoke issue.

Bill Clinton didn't inhale and I believe that non-smokers have the same right.
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More to the point..... people who habitually wish to light fires around my boat are NOT welcome!
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I've found a foolproof way to handle the second hand smoke issue.
"Back in the day" when smoking within an office* the occassional person would complain about 2nd hand smoke, I would say they owed me money then


*even I would not want to work in a smokers office anymore - hell, I can't even smoke in my own offices ...........I guess if I worked harder I could afford somewhere with a covered smoking balcony .........but I ain't that bothered
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I've found a foolproof way to handle the second hand smoke issue.

Bill Clinton didn't inhale and I believe that non-smokers have the same right.
Of course, the corollary to that witticism is that we non-smokers don't mind if anyone smokes around us . . . as long as they don't exhale.

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All these big words. I had to have four corollary arteries replaced because I was a smoker. However, that is in-venereal. (For those of you knot used to big words that means not related.) And you thought because I was a smoker I am be dumm.
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