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Old 28-02-2010, 14:45   #121
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Let me add another one: Wild Bison. While visiting Yellowstone a few years back, a ranger told me that caught a tourist trying to sit his daughter on a Bison, so he could take a picture. Unless you've been up close to one, you have no idea how stupid this is.

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Old 28-02-2010, 14:49   #122
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Let me add another one: Wild Bison. While visiting Yellowstone a few years back, a ranger told me that caught a tourist trying to sit his daughter on a Bison, so he could take a picture. Unless you've been up close to one, you have no idea how stupid this is.

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Wolverines
Lionfish
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Anything in a National Park
Other peoples wives...
Have you see the video of the dad putting jam on his son's face to get the picture with the bears in Yellowstone?

By the look of your avitar, perhaps we should add sweet little kittys to the list?
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Old 28-02-2010, 14:53   #123
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Have you see the video of the dad putting jam on his son's face to get the picture with the bears in Yellowstone?
Who was it that once said "The more I'm around people, the more I like my dog"? It's funny...an Orca might be the only animal on Earth that could do that Jam trick with a bear and get away with it! See how everything goes full circle?
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talk about proactive entry in the darwin awards... two generation category competitions!
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The only real problem was that the dad was back behind the camera! Otherwise I'd say "have at it, Darwin!"
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The only real problem was that the dad was back behind the camera! Otherwise I'd say "have at it, Darwin!"
Dont worry Conrad...it's just a matter of time...
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I figure any bear worth it's salt could get both of em, easy...
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Yum ... salted bear.
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Perhaps the bears are more educated now with all those human interactions and chose not to have anyting to do with human children, Jam or not. Could be indicative of a very intelligent Bear.

The parent could have tried HONEY to sweeten the deal .
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Perhaps the bears are more educated now with all those human interactions and chose not to have anyting to do with human children, Jam or not. Could be indicative of a very intelligent Bear.
Next you'll support the right to arm bears, and this will turn into another gun thread...happens every time!
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.... Why don't they let tilikum go? I think it is because he has fathered a couple baby orcas (that IS big money).
Correction, now they say he has fathered over 15, Sea World has implied that his value is in breeding, stating that it is a primary reason to keep him, so (now I will connect the dot) well worth 3 dead bodies. Is there something I am missing here? I have not been following very closely on this, do I have my info wrong? How many people die from captive killer whales and how many have died from this captive killer whale?
If we feel the need to keep killer whales for education research, at what point do we decide we have learned enough? You'd think after twenty plus years they have gathered enough data, but I am no scientist maybe this is just crazy talk.
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add polar bears to the no petting list CVH, one of the few creatures on earth that actively hunt man.
I would, but they're just so damn cute when they're little...

Thanks for adding to the National No Pet list!
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I don't think your missing anything. When the Vancouver aquarium sold hiim they thought he was beng sold for the breeding progam not the clown show. Not sure it makes a difference in the end. Some people see a commodity where other people see a life and if you "follow the money" you find a trail of tears.
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Polar Bears - definitly add to the list. I would have returned to the Arctic for more sled hauling on the NW passage, except for those fluffy white critters. Just too risky.

"the right to arm bears" - no need, their teeth and temperament are enough to scare me.

With such wondeful technology nowdays, I can not see the need for captive animals to learn from. They can be implanted with such great devices to monitor, watch, sense what they do in their natural environment. 20 years ago there might have been an argument, but it seems a pretty lame excuse to hold them in tanks nowdays.

Me thinks the shareholders are more important than making that profit reducing modernization. Seaworld are not likely to self regulate on this issue, at least not by current press statements. So the authorities need to do that. Don't hold your breath on that either, money talks.

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Christian Van H, he say:Lastly, as a Darwinist, you must know that any comparison of wild animals to domesticated sheepdogs is useless, just as you understand the mechanism used to separate them from the wolf...and for the Parrots, I know you were joking, but I cant stand to see them in cages. They are wonderful to see in the jungles though...
Christian, I think I've been misunderstood on a couple of points.

I'm not a Darwinist. I wasn't arguing taxonomy, or breeding, or speciation: just making the point that if you're going to be consistent, a call to halt the training of animals to serve us would apply to domesticated animals as well. Domesticated or wild, the principle of not interfering with their lives would obtain. I'm willing to listen to someone who could make a sensible distinction, but seems to me it's the same thing.

I wasn't really joking. I was suggesting that there is a sense in which they are analogous, and by doing so, implying the question "What makes one of those things acceptable and the other not?"

Secondly, I'm not saying other mammals cannot suffer. I'm recognizing that we don't understand their minds, quality of consciousness, awareness of self, etc., very well, and it may not be exactly the same thing as humans experience. At a glance, it seems they experience suffering, grief, joy; but humans are unique, so the possibility that it isn't quite the same thing has to remain. This isn't a completely settled question. Ironically, studying captive wild animals has given us the greatest insights into this phenomenon.

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