Scammers

[delmarrey]

I have a Genoa up for sale in several locations and I recieved this reply today. In a previous e-mail I asked him to call me.

Watch out for these guys. I told this one if he couldn't put the money in my hand or give me a certified check for the full amount, I wouldn't do business with him.

Sellers beware............................................ ..._/)

Hello , Thanks very much for the email and letting me know its available, I Would like to let you know that I have a Problems With my Ears. The reason I am sending you this email is to make final reconfirmation of this and also to let you know that payment will be a US Certified Money Order or Check method. In view of this I need you to email me any information that may be required to send the payment, as I do not want to send the payment to a wrong location lest they gets into the wrong hands. Regarding the shipping, I will get a company that would take care of the pick up of my consignment for me and ship to my destination anywhere in the U.S.A., You Don't have to worry about shipping, the company will send down a Rep. to arrange the Sales Documentation and the pick up from your end for onward transfer to my destination. I also want to alert you on the fact that you will be receiving an overdraft payment, which will cover the money for the pickup (pickup and shipping to the final destination) as well as the money to be paid to the company that will take care of the pickup and the documentation with you. So please, as soon as you receive the payment , go and cash them immediately, deduct the money that accrues to you cost of this item and take a compensation of $100 for stress making you go thru, and you will send the rest balance to the Head Office of the company that handles the shipment via the nearest Western Union agent in your area. Deduct the Western Union charges from the balance and send the remaining Immediately . I will give you the details of the company that you will send the balance of the money to once I get a reply and agreement that you will send the money via Western Union money transfer immediately you cash the payment. Once the money is received by the agent, the shipping agent will contact you immediately to arrange the documentation as well as the pick up immediately. So in view of the above, here are some of the details I will need for final assurance of the payment to you. (1) Full Name (2) Mailing address, no p.o.box please (3) Your Cell and home telephone number Once you get back to me with all the above, the payment will be issued out immediately and it will be sent to you . Hope to hear from you immediately

[knottybuoyz]

English obviously wasn't his first language!

I tried to sell some of my old Nikon's on e-bay and got absolutely plastered with offers from all over the globe. Probably 200 in all and not one legitimate one. It's not hard to pick up on the scam. Just be careful and watch what your parents are doing with your inheritance on e-bay!

[TaoJones]

Before anyone reads that and thinks to themselves, "Jesus, how could anyone not see through this scam?" the truth is that this, and countless variations of it, work on gullible (and, often, greedy) souls every day. The con artists who perpetrate these scams are actually keen students of human psychology, and know just what buttons to push to seperate fools from their money.

Thanks for posting that, delmarrey.

TaoJones

[Sonny]

I have had similar emails regarding the purchase of my sailboat. It doesn't stop with Ebay they can pick up any info from any web site.

Today I received a letter from Spain from some person who works in a bank telling me that a deceased relative(?) of mine had $77 million dollars in a safe deposit box and she had access to it and would send me 40% and she would keep 60%. I was to contact her and give her my phone number and fax number. She didn't need my address because she already had it. She also told me that I shouldn't tell anyone and that the only other person who knows about it was her husband.

Guess I don't need the money and will send the letter to our District Attorney.

Most of these con letters have poor English or is Inglish?

[Alan Wheeler]

ummm Del, OK, I have this friend that got caught by a Scam once. This Friend of mine is having trouble understanding the issue above. So my friend is asking a few questions. He wants to know what is the problem if the buyer is saying he will send the money and you go to the bank and cash it. Isn't this in advance of the goods being sent?? or am I...err...my friend missing something.
My Friend got scammed for $800 buying an autopilot off E-bay a couple of years back. He didn't have $800 and it was a big ask to come up with it. It's a long story, I..err.. my friend thought he was safe because he sent a registered Bank cheq and he even recieved the signature, address and PhNo. all where verified. But the guy disappeared and the goods did not exist and Ebay would not do a thing about it.

[delmarrey]

Originally Posted by Alan Wheeler

He wants to know what is the problem if the buyer is saying he will send the money and you go to the bank and cash it. Isn't this in advance of the goods being sent??

If that were all he was saying I'd just go to the bank. But no, I'm getting this chase the wild goose stuff, which hardly makes any sence.

I'll just wait and sell it to someone sane I don't need the $$ that bad, just the space it's taking up.

[Jackstee]

Hi Guys
Got Three in my mail the other day. All from (LOL) Lloyds TSB bank.
Rgds

[KaptainKen]

Ref: Scammers.

If you recognize a scam and have time on your hands you can have some fun, drive the scammer nuts and waste his time . Visit Welcome to the 419 Eater These people have tips and links on "almost" completing transactions.

Like un-openable Western Union tracking documents, un-readable scans of WU documents, endless receiver identity questionnaires that must, of course, be completed in full. My favorite was a fake identity "retina scan", the flashing of which, tended to induce a epileptic fit in those susceptible. (I can't put my hand on the retina scan link at the moment.)

Anyway, the philosophy behind the 419baiters is that by making the scammer jump through hoops and generally wasting his time and resources, he won't have time to scam someone else.

[jim lee]

A girl at my last job got stung by a scammer. The odd/funny bit about the deal was that she was the company's "Computer IT Expert". So she should have known better. But, she was one of the most self centered, greediest humans I have ever known.

I'ts got to be the greed that blined her.

-jim lee

[Gator81]

Hi, guys,
My wife is a bank manager. She has to deal with the sad endings of 2 or 3 of these scams nearly every day. Most of the time, it's an older person who lives alone, and doesn't have somebody around who recognizes a scam when they see one.
There's a thousand variations on the theme, but the theme goes like this:
Scammer sends a check (or "cheque", for my Canadian friends!) for some amount above the agreed upon value of whatever the deal is. The scammee deposits the check in the bank, withdraws an amount equal to the overage, and sends it one way or another to the scammer, who is usually out of the US.
The bank puts a hold on the amount until it clears (which it won't), but the scammee already has some money in the account, enough to cover the withdrawal of the overage, so the bank has to give the scammee the cash.
The check turns out to be bad, and the scammee is out the amount of the overage.
A couple of days ago, there was one where an 80+ year old guy got a letter telling him he had won a Canadian sweepstakes for a small amount of money, like $3500, all he had to do was return the card, no personal info required. Sounds OK, right? He sends the card back. Of course, the card is coded with a serial number, so the scammers know which one of a gazillion cards this one is. So they look up the card's serial number, get his address, and send him a letter. It says they will send him his winnings in two parts. The first is a check for $1000, which is included with the letter. The scammee is instructed to deposit the check, and then wire $350 by Western Union back to an account in Canada to pay for the documentation fees and Canadian taxes. Once that is done, they will send him another check for the remaining $2500.
The thinks, OK, this is a straight up deal. No cash out of pocket. I don't mind paying taxes on winnings. As long as the bank takes the check, it must be OK. Right? Nope.
In the US, a lot of old folks get the Social Security deposited in their bank accounts on the same day every month. These scams go out a few days before that. So the guy's SS money is in his account. He deposits the very-real-looking check, then takes the $350 out and has it wired to the Canadian account.
Sadly, he also went on a bit of a spending spree, writing several personal checks around town for things he wanted or needed, and gifts for his grandchildren.
By the time the personal checks he had written came in for payment, the scam check had been determined to be a stolen "washed" check, with a stop-payment from the issuing bank. So now the guy is out the $350, and he's got a bunch of bounced checks to cover, at $25 in fees for each.
So my wife calls him, asks him to come into the bank, where the story gets told. He's embarrassed as hell. The bank agrees to drop the bad-check fees, but the guy is still out the $350. And he won't get another SS payment for another month.
The cops get the full story, of course, on every one of these. They dutifully file it away, and do nothing. I don't know the legal issues, related to out-of-country scammers, but there seems to be little the cops are willing to try to do about it.
Often, the check is for some purchase (like Del's sail) and the scammer is simply looking for something for sale that is somewhat less than the stolen check he has in his hand. He sends the check, with some excuse for the overage, and asks that the overage be sent back to him in cash or by wire. These things are going on by the thousands every day in the US now.

[S/V Elusive]

Alan, tell your friend that those 'certified checks' are usually drafted on out of country banks. YOUR bank will cash them for you, send them off to the originating back, and find they are forged or outright fakes. YOU are then out that whole amount .. including what ever object they bought, and the cash that you sent. So ... lets add that all up: Value of 'certified check', plus item you shipped, plus cash you sent to some offshore corporation, MINUS the chump change they suggested you keep = a double hit.

[S/V Elusive]

excellent Gator ... teach me to walk away from the computer for a few minutes to take care of work stuff.

[charley]

Originally Posted by Alan Wheeler

ummm Del, OK, I have this friend that got caught by a Scam once. This Friend of mine is having trouble understanding the issue above. So my friend is asking a few questions. He wants to know what is the problem if the buyer is saying he will send the money and you go to the bank and cash it. Isn't this in advance of the goods being sent?? or am I...err...my friend missing something.
My Friend got scammed for $800 buying an autopilot off E-bay a couple of years back. He didn't have $800 and it was a big ask to come up with it. It's a long story, I..err.. my friend thought he was safe because he sent a registered Bank cheq and he even recieved the signature, address and PhNo. all where verified. But the guy disappeared and the goods did not exist and Ebay would not do a thing about it.

Wheels

Yeah your bank should take care of this for you. Uuumm sorry your friend's bank should take care of this for you all he should have to do is file a claims with said bank stating that this item was never sent to you and generally with little or no ?'s they should refund your friend. Unless he does it weekly. Up to about 6 months.

You really gotta watch out for scams I had listed a handmade leather purse that my wife made on ebay. I received a similar email for some one who stated pretty much the same thing. I was happy as all get out as we had sold a $600 item and where getting paid, Hell yeah. So a weeks goes by I get a MONEY ORDER from someone in the amount of $3500 for the item that was $600 with shipping. I call the number on the money order it was a WESTERN UNION MO. The money order number that was on this check that I received was cashed several months before in the amount of about $100. My wife was recently looking for new job and posted a resume online. Received an email form someone claiming to work for a travel company for here to process payments for them.. MY wife being pretty new to the internet and pretty gullible at time ( this can be fun once in awhile) asked me to read it. I took a look and saw that the email found several mistakes that a business would not make. I check on the business domain name and low and behold it was available for purchase. So not everyone is on the up and up so watch who you deal with and never send a payment to someone you don't know, or send product until the check clears.
Paypal is the only way I shop online cause they do protect you.

[delmarrey]

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All I can say is after the second time through, I still have no idea what I am supposed to do with the money I guess if you promise you will send him something, no wait, he will confirm with, no that's not it. Ah hell, I wouldn't have sold it to him either. Mainly because it would just be to darn much effort to figure out how.