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Old 16-12-2010, 17:29   #151
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Being a Pole I know all the good ones but I get edited for whistling White Christmas on a Haiti thread so I'll wait for some more good PM's.
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Old 16-12-2010, 17:50   #152
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Old 16-12-2010, 18:59   #153
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Keep an eye on Craigs List for free provisions.

apocalypse late: free 25lb sack of flour (Kailua, Oahu)

Date: 2010-12-07, 8:54AM HST
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Inasmuch as those getting food stamps can afford better food than we can, the only people going hungry on this island are probably dieting. But there may still be a few with an ethic of avoiding waste, living lightly on the earth, or just being cheap. It is to those souls this offer may conceivably appeal.

We put away some food back in 2003 so we wouldn't have to immediately eat our neighbors once the neighborhood Piggly-Wiggly ran out of briskit & grits. We haven't changed our opinion about the finite probability of a hiatus in food supplies - this is, after all, a rock in the ocean with a city on it - we just have more expendable neighbors down the hill now.

Up for grabs is a 25-lb sack of flour. Seems to be perfectly fine, we just don't use flour for anything. I guess we figured that we'd find some way to eat it once reduced to semi-starvation by a failure of global empire and networked connectivity. Probably by frying it in the canola oil that we gave away here a year ago, after it was punctured and sucked on by rats. The fact that someone actually wanted that rat-sucked canola oil gives us both confidence that someone will want this perfectly-good flour, and trepedation about the craigslist demographic.

I suppose that in retrospect - had some calamity occurred - we could have combined the canola, flour, and surfeit of rats by making battered deep-fried rats-on-a-stick for the neighbors while we covertly ate our stored hershey bars. Not the neighbors down the hill though, that'd be a waste of perfectly good fried rats.

Seems like when it comes to post-apocalyptic planning, timing is everything. However, for you it's a win-win: not only are you not part of an emaciated starving mob, but you have an opportunity to drive over and pick up some free flour. You should probably plan to use it pretty soon, inasmuch as it's already old enough to be in second grade.

Email if interested. The flour is in an unopened sack and is located in Maunawili near Kailua. Preference will be given to folks nearby - recycling makes no sense at all if the person getting it is driving an SUV from Haleiwa. As noted, the sack hasn't been opened, but leaks a bit in a powderpuff way in the manner of all large sacks of flour, so don't wear black when picking it up.
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Old 18-12-2010, 18:16   #154
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when I rebuilt my galley I found all sorts of waste space, just the space behind the stove will fit 10 10lb bags of rice, etc
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Old 18-12-2010, 18:39   #155
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galleys are notoriously inefficient in space usage...i cant wait to find more space in mine...
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I gutted mine out all the way down to the hull. I had an 8'x4' space to work with, w/ 18"x24" standing area. I ended up with a wrap around galley, port and starboard side w/ large (30"x 18") previously non-existent counter space behind companion way steps under the nav deck.
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Old 18-12-2010, 20:05   #157
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"(China holds $1.7 trillion of the US debt alone). "
Secured, or unsecured?
Secured by what, or if unsecured, what happens if they say "You give me trillion dollars now, yes?" and the US simply says "No, we're defaulting. It's unsecured, good luck with that."
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Actually China is well aware of the fact it is holding toilet paper. What China is doing now is taking the US dollar reserves it has from a decade or more of slanted trading and using it to secure access to raw materials around the world. The world consumer buys cheap plastic junk and China uses the cash to further its grasp on world resources. Look up the problem the world is having with rare earth elements. That will do for a start.

Anyway, I'm tending to stay away from fishing poles, reels n such. Too complicated. I'll go with long line fishing. As for how long to stay off shore before going in to have a peek? I'd say at least a couple of months. By that time the majority of the riff raff will have starved or been killed off by raiders. Personally I wouldn't go anywhere near a city, town or village. The chances of getting some disease is too high. Think of all the unburied bodies if it all goes to hell in a rush from something like a plague or mass starvation because the supply system broke down.

To my mind, keep provisions stocked at all times, and learn to read the tea leaves. 90% of surviving a sudden catastrophy is in learning how to read the signs that it's time to be somewhere else. This goes equally for those who live on land or sea. Never go anywhere without your BOB. (bug out bag)


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After the book references I am surprised no one mentioned a towel.
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All this would make a good script for a new movie. Where's MarkJ.
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Actually China is well aware of the fact it is holding toilet paper. What China is doing now is taking the US dollar reserves it has from a decade or more of slanted trading and using it to secure access to raw materials around the world. The world consumer buys cheap plastic junk and China uses the cash to further its grasp on world resources. Look up the problem the world is having with rare earth elements. That will do for a start.

Anyway, I'm tending to stay away from fishing poles, reels n such. Too complicated. I'll go with long line fishing. As for how long to stay off shore before going in to have a peek? I'd say at least a couple of months. By that time the majority of the riff raff will have starved or been killed off by raiders. Personally I wouldn't go anywhere near a city, town or village. The chances of getting some disease is too high. Think of all the unburied bodies if it all goes to hell in a rush from something like a plague or mass starvation because the supply system broke down.

To my mind, keep provisions stocked at all times, and learn to read the tea leaves. 90% of surviving a sudden catastrophy is in learning how to read the signs that it's time to be somewhere else. This goes equally for those who live on land or sea. Never go anywhere without your BOB. (bug out bag)


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Old 20-12-2010, 18:06   #163
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Saltpeter?? I can see it being used for preserving food but my god, it sure would interfere with getting together with the nubile nymphettes so we can repopulate the world after it all settles down again.

Better to buy a pressure canner and jars. Learn to can your own. It's fun, and a bit of a blast learning how. The first few experiments of mine turned out like something on the shelf in that CSI Las Vegas guys' office. Or exploded. Made a hell of a mess. But with a bit of practice you can can just about anything. Good to take advantage of sales and what not. The jars and rings are reusable, and the lids come in very small boxes. 75mm square and about 25mm thick. You can store a lot of them in a small space. Storing the jars is also fairly easy if you put some thought into it. Thin plastic sheeting cut to make a lattice work divider for a locker, a solid sheet over the first layer and so on. Keep them packed fairly tight and they won't break.

Learning to make jerky is also a good idea. You can dry just about anything.

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