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Old 21-09-2009, 12:19   #16
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Dare we talk about some persons who use their employers computer and demand an hourly wage to play on the internet and converse on forums (ie chat rooms)?
It's called 'white collar crime' and it is tragic that this goes on while so many are unemployed.
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Old 21-09-2009, 12:27   #17
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To John A -
I see your point, but you're a bit off with it. Such employees who "use their employers computer and demand an hourly wage to play on the internet and converse on forums (ie chat rooms)?
It's called 'white collar crime' ..." No my friend, it's not a "crime" it's maybe unethical and a breach of trust to the employer, but a crime it is not, not even an infraction, let alone White Collar Crime, which is embezzlement, fraud, etc.Just keeping us accurate, here.
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Old 21-09-2009, 12:54   #18
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Hello out there, can you read? It's only four pages, an ilustration by Steadman and a couple of cartoons to keep your interest.
It's a scholarly review of several books by economics professors and it's interesting. If you can only handle sound bytes go back to your Fox news.
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Old 21-09-2009, 13:00   #19
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Now I know that you are smart enough to know that one article does not settle ANY philosophical or political argument. For every "scholarly review" you have to support one political side, I can show you just as many to support the other political side.

So let us be less dogmatic about our views, shall we? After all, the article you site is just one man's or woman's opinion.
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... Socialism is the practice of taking what someone has worked for and giving it someone else. Pretty much sums up stealing to me, so I'd conclude pirates are definitely socialists.

Pirates are actually the prototypical capitalists.


I wish I could say that your ignorance of “socialism” is extraordinary, but unfortunately I suspect it’s quite ordinary, tho’, perhaps, profound.

This Forum, and others like it; where people collectively share their knowledge & experience (according to their ability to contribute), and others benefit from those contributions (according to their need), are essentially “socialist” in nature.

“From each according to his ability - To each according to his need.” ~ Karl Marx *

* The complete paragraph containing Marx's statement of the creed in the 'Critique of the Gotha Program' is as follows:

“... In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labour, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labour, has vanished; after labour has become not only a means of life but life's prime want; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-around development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly — only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be crossed in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs ...”
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Jace,
As a retired person it saddens me to find that todays employees see nothing wrong with taking wages to do nothing. You may justify these actions any way you want. It may not be a white collar crime as defined by what ever the heck you wish to use to justify such actions, but to many a employer it is reason for termanation. Its right up there with lying and cheating, as you are stealing company resources (the computer and yourself). Ask yourself which your boss would rather do: pay your inflated salary to let you play all day, or hire a newbie at a lower salary to be productive. Or are you union or government and really don't have to worry?
Your System Administer can furnish management with a list of terminals with their activity on the internet upon request. And this can be used in your exit interview.
When you find yourself unemployed, you may have only yourself to blame.
end of rant (sorry folks got carried away)
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Now I know that you are smart enough to know that one article does not settle ANY philosophical or political argument. For every "scholarly review" you have to support one political side, I can show you just as many to support the other political side.

So let us be less dogmatic about our views, shall we? After all, the article you site is just one man's or woman's opinion.
One more time Hello out there Can you read?
If you had bothered to read the article before commenting on it, your contribution to this discussion might make some sense.
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Gord, I think we are in agreement on a few things. Perhaps others will find these quotes interesting for their historical perspective.

"And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common."

"And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all."

"Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,"

"And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need."


Acts 4:32-35 (King James version of the Bible)

These excellent words were summarized very neatly by Mr. Marx as:

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need." Which may also be found in "The Communist Manifesto."

Don't these quotes argue strongly that all Christians should support "socialism" if they take their beliefs seriously? And another question: How is it that Christians have been so universally "convinced" that socialism is bad, given the clear message of Acts 4:32-35? It is this latter tendency, by the way, that provides the moral reasoning behind most Socialists tendancy to view all religions less than favorably.
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Old 21-09-2009, 15:54   #24
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I will say this one time. We don't do politics. We don't do religion. We do boating and cruising.

If this thread can stay on topic it will stay open. If it continues to be off topic it will be closed.

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I will say this one time. We don't do politics. We don't do religion. We do boating and cruising.

If this thread can stay on topic it will stay open. If it continues to be off topic it will be closed.

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Dang, and I was just going to say that one can find the answer to any argument one wants in "their" book.

I think the article was enlightening.
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I will say this one time. We don't do politics. We don't do religion.
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has anyone had good sex with a pirate lately?
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Sticking with the Pirate topic…… seems the Somalian pirate attacks have either been reduced greatly or the media has put it on the back page.

I have a friend heading towards the Red Sea next year and am curious if there has been any improvement?
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