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Old 09-11-2010, 15:13   #1
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Exclamation Perils of Household Conveniences ?

There has been a lot of debate lately about bigger is better v simplicity. The following shows that “huge” does not even mean fool proof?

Fire leaves 4500 stranded on commercial cruise ship
An engine room fire has left a cruise ship carrying nearly 4500 people stranded with minimal power in the Pacific off the coast of Mexico, the operator said on Tuesday. Tugboats were heading towards the Carnival Splendor, some 320km south of San Diego after the fire early on Monday, said Carnival Cruise Lines, adding that passengers had no air conditioning or hot food…,,,,,

See, http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/world/8290785/fire-leaves-4500-stranded-cruise-ship
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Bigger also means more complicated.

As an example, take a look at the cockpit in a small cesna. Then look at the cockpit of a 747. Bigger also means more to break or have go wrong and often more complicated to troubleshoot I'd imagine.
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Bigger also means more complicated.

As an example, take a look at the cockpit in a small cesna. Then look at the cockpit of a 747. Bigger also means more to break or have go wrong and often more complicated to troubleshoot I'd imagine.
Quantas might have wanted to think about that before they bought the A380’s with the exploding engines? Great too that they have been outsourcing maintenance to foreign countries?

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/8119595/another-qantas-plane-has-engine-trouble

Maybe cruising in a simplistic yacht is really looking like the safe option?
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I suppose the opposite side of the coin is that at least on a commercial cruise you could ask for a refund? I am sure I can remember a leading contracts case where some little old lady got her money back after the cruise from hell. In contrast, once I am half way across the Pacific in my little boat there is basically no turning back?

(Yes, I am quite willing to explore both sides of the story! )
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Quantas might have wanted to think about that before they bought the A380’s with the exploding engines? Great too that they have been outsourcing maintenance to foreign countries?

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/8119595/another-qantas-plane-has-engine-trouble

Maybe cruising in a simplistic yacht is really looking like the safe option?

OK... so how many cessnas does Qantas have to buy to replace their 380 fleet??
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OK... so how many cessnas does Qantas have to buy to replace their 380 fleet??
Now that is using some rational logic – something that is often thrown out the window when these treads become opinionated debates?

Still, I am thinking it might be easier to jump out of the boat when the colloquial “sh#t hits the fan”?
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In their defense, this is a "luxury" cruise liner and people are paying for that. There isn't a huge market for cruises with manual toilets, oar power, and hardtack.
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I used to live on an aircraft carrier. We once had a fuel oil fire so bad, that anybody not fighting the fire had to muster in the hanger bay with plans to abandon ship. The fire went on for about 10 hours before they got it out.
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I used to live on an aircraft carrier. We once had a fuel oil fire so bad, that anybody not fighting the fire had to muster in the hanger bay with plans to abandon ship. The fire went on for about 10 hours before they got it out.
I was on a sub; the worst I saw were some steam leaks (which are lethal in their own right). I heard those in-the-ship fires make things hot.
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Closest I have come to a serious fire is another chef on a dinner cruise boat dumping a heap of marinade oil onto the hotplate. It was not the first time he had done the same thing and this time he did it well. The disturbing thing was the stove was next to the exit. While the flames were lapping the timber roof the simple solution was to dump a few towels on the blaze. Eventually we discovered why the other chef liked to do the prep downstairs next to the alcohol stores!
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I took early retirement from the Fire Service, with the rank of Captain with 17 yrs of service, in 1980.
I have attended aircraft crash, oil tank farm explosion and fire, and race-riot created fires.
I can tell you, without doubt, the most stressful and self-discipline requiring, is a ship fire.
To put on breathing apparatus, in full bunker gear, and descend into the bowels of smoke filled corridors in absolute blackness is not easy.
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There has been a lot of debate lately about bigger is better v simplicity. ......
Would it be acceptable if i converted my juicer to an auxiliary fire pump??
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OK... so how many cessnas does Qantas have to buy to replace their 380 fleet??
Results vary based on the model of Cessna.
For the biggest Cessna jet:
On a passenger capacity basis that would be 6 x 853 (1-class, A380)/ 12(Cessna Citation Sovereign) = 414 cessnas

On a price basis that would be 6 x 346.3M / $17.5M = 119 Cessnas

For turboprops:
On a passenger capacity basis that would be 6 x 853 (1-class, A380)/ 14(Cessna Grand Caravan) = 366 cessnas

On a price basis that would be 6 x 346.3M / $2.2M= 945 Cessnas

For pistons:
have fun doing your own math.

Prices and capacities pulled from Wikipedia.
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Would it be acceptable if i converted my juicer to an auxiliary fire pump??
Now that’s a self-sufficient sailor doing a bit of lateral thinking!
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