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28-09-2007, 22:00
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Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: World Resident
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OUCH!!
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28-09-2007, 22:21
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Location: living aboard in Friday Harbor, WA
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This is bizarre... they were on a collision course yet someone is running a video camera instead of sounding the alarm. Must have been in tourist mode. "It's ok, honey, I'm sure they know what they're doing. And it's a big ocean."
Glad I got a steel boat!
Steve
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28-09-2007, 23:41
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Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Philippines in the winters
Boat: It’s in French Polynesia now
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Right of way????
Did you see the dorks on the foredeck. They didn't even care if anyone was hurt. They just waved their hands like they were flipping them off.
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28-09-2007, 23:54
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Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: West Palm Beach, FL
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Quote:
Originally Posted by delmarrey
Right of way????
Did you see the dorks on the foredeck. They didn't even care if anyone was hurt. They just waved their hands like they were flipping them off.
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Unfortunately this is the reaction alot of idiots have after an accident. Regardless of who was at fault, it is obvious that doing an injury check is more important than showing your @$$.
Seems to me the deck boat was asleep, and should have been the one to give way. I just can't believe the capt./mate of the camera boat didn't reverse hard before he did.
This could have gone much worse, though. SHEESH
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29-09-2007, 03:51
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Join Date: May 2003
Location: New Bern, NC
Boat: Prout Manta 38' Catamaran - Sunspot Baby
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Both skippers must have had their craniums firmly implanted in their anal orifices. There are so many things done wrong here it boggles the mind.
George
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29-09-2007, 17:33
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Join Date: May 2007
Location: Ohio
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I can see how that happened what with all that traffic around. Not much room to maneuver...
Stupid is as stupid does...
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26-10-2007, 21:19
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Homer, Alaska
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Being a newbie in more ways than one, is not the boat to starboard to have the right of way? I mean both boats should have gone to their starboard to avoid the collision but the stand on boat should have been the one to starboard, correct?
iceman
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26-10-2007, 21:28
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Correct!
USCG- Rule 15
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When two power-driven vessels are crossing so as to involve risk of collision, the vessel which has the other on her own starboard side shall keep out of the way and shall, if the circumstances of the case admit, avoid crossing ahead of the other vessel.
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BUT, they both were asleep at the wheel
Rule 14
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Unless otherwise agreed [Inld] When two power-driven vessels are meeting on reciprocal or nearly reciprocal courses so as to involve risk of collision each shall alter her course to starboard so that each shall pass on the port side of the other.
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Rule 14 & 15: Head-On and Crossing Situations
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26-10-2007, 21:32
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Homer, Alaska
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Thank you Delmarry,
I just new enough to be easily swayed.
iceman
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04-11-2007, 13:02
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Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Eastern Tennessee
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That's just stupid.....neither of the watches were paying attention or some numbskull decided to play chicken because he thought he was the stand on vessel. Both are at fault equally. Both watch officers should have their licenses permanently revoked.
More what not to do on a boat videos:
I would be willing to bet the vast majority of them are alcohol related.
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04-11-2007, 13:22
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Moderator Emeritus
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Eastern Tennessee
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Quote:
Originally Posted by IceMan
Being a newbie in more ways than one, is not the boat to starboard to have the right of way? I mean both boats should have gone to their starboard to avoid the collision but the stand on boat should have been the one to starboard, correct?
iceman
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In the end, you are at least partially at fault even if you initially were the stand on vessel. The COLREG's are different from the rules of driving a car in this respect.
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04-11-2007, 18:04
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CF Adviser
Join Date: Oct 2007
Boat: Van Helleman Schooner 65ft StarGazer
Posts: 10,280
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It is very easy and misleading to make judgements based on the 7 seconds of video leading up to the collision.
I would recommend that you not be so quick to judge!
For example:
We don’t know what course changes transpired before they came into a close quarter situation, or if the large private yacht was hampered by reefs on either side. Super yachts in remote places are often a magnet for tourist boats to abruptly change course. They do it all the time, come in real close so that their customers can get a thrill and maybe a photo of the Rich and Famous. I have even had them do circles around me at speed.
All you can do is to warn them off, sound the Danger Signal, take pictures and if necessary, crash stop.
As David M says…both will be judged responsible as neither watch keeper took early and readily apparent action to avoid a collision. Also, as neither of them sounded the Danger Signal, which is the basic and legal form of communication, they will probably have their licenses suspended.
In COLREGS Rule 2, what I have underlined is a reminder to all mariners not to play games with the Rules (In other words, know them, but use common sense!)
Rule 2 Responsibility
(a) Nothing in these Rules shall exonerate any vessel, or the owner, master or crew thereof, from the consequences of any neglect to comply with these Rules or of the neglect of any precaution which may be required by the ordinary practice of seamen, or by the special circumstances of the case.
(b) In construing and complying with these Rules due regard shall be had to all dangers of navigation and collision and to any special circumstances, including the limitations of the vessels involved, which may make a departure from these Rules necessary to avoid immediate danger.
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