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Old 01-03-2010, 21:46   #16
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The earth is a living breathing thing.....to think that man can alter it permanently is ludicrous.........we can screw it up in the short term.....but in the long run.....Mother Earth will beat us all down.....anthropogenic global warming......Nah...anthropogenic global cooling? Yup...it is called nuclear winter.

On good dose of volcanic flatulence will cool things down nicely.
That brought back memories. Now I remember that when I was a kid, everyone was building bomb shelters and was worried about nuclear winter. How times change!
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Old 01-03-2010, 21:51   #17
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Itís now called climate change
Yup, that's the nature of life isn't it? Change, change, change. Things will only stop changing (for me) when I'm dead. Part of what we see is because we have better eyes (can measure more with greater accuracy) and part is real, and the real part is changing, but whether it's short term or long term depends on the term. All very muddled and to some extent (but not all) flavour of the month.
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I'd love to see Puget Sound get warm enough so I could go snorkling and spear fishing with a mask and fins and not freeze to death!
Oh, and as long as I'm wishing, Dorado!
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Old 02-03-2010, 00:04   #19
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You Get What You Pay For!

Guess you guys didn't get the memo?

We here in the Pacific Northwest all sent our 5 bucks to Al Gore last fall. It was 60 degrees and sunny today (March 1st/Seattle)! I think he's really pissed at the rest of you...

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We are all agreed on change, BUT

Is it part of the natural cycle of the planet, or
is it man made?

Yes there is more greenhouse gas in the atmosphere at the moment but what caused it.
The vast area of tundra permafrost across siberia is now melting during summers and its releasing methane. Man hasnt made that gas, its natural, but man is blamed for greeenhouse gas.

Ironically, while im reading this, its on the news that therre has been a downturn on public support for climate change. People are jerks, we have had our coldest winter for 30 years so people loook out the window, see snow and change thier minds.

Global warming doesnt necessarily mean its us who will get warmer.
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I have new theory about this global wobble thing casusing climate change! It's all tied to Americans getting so fat. This is effecting the balance as the earth spins and now it's unbalanced. After all we all know it's a manmade problem; we just couldn't figure the how part!

I think I'll get a couple of "names" to agree, then do a documentry on it (maybe with Al or the big fat guy who does the documentries). Then collect my Nobel award and use it to get a new boat!
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Chief said,

The earth is a living breathing thing.....to think that man can alter it permanently is ludicrous.........we can screw it up in the short term.....but in the long run.....Mother Earth will beat us all down.....anthropogenic global warming......Nah...anthropogenic global cooling? Yup...it is called nuclear winter.

On good dose of volcanic flatulence will cool things down nicely.


Ah Chief, such an air of optimism to cheer me when I awake.

I'm not sure where we agree and disagree but here is where I come down.

Yes we are having human generated global warming. The root cause is over population.

I agree that nature, either as in Mother Earth or Human Nature, will not let this stand for long. One or the other will adjust.

Will it happen in our life time? Depends, how old are you?

Will it happen to our kids or grandkids? Yup.

Such is our legacy.

Not particularly interested in debating this. Just saying where I am.
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The Weather World..
It is exploding..
Theories fly...
Cows are farting..
We're old enough to think...
but not for knowing...
You don't believe in change...
but now you've changed your voting....
and you tell me ..over and over again...
Ahh you don't believe...
We're on the Eve of Destruction....
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The Chesapeake froze over in the early 70's l heard it came close again this year. Everyone here in Abaco say's it is the coldest in 20 years. A few years from now we will be pondering the heat wave.
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Us poor humans, always trying to keep things exactly the way they are. Can't let any species die off forever, for that's just horrible. Can't let the climate change, for that's just terrible. This is our world, and we'll spend billions and work to death to try to keep it exactly the way it is. Any changes must be the result of us, so if we all sit perfectly still and don't move, and hold our breath, the earth won't ever change.

How in heavens did the earth survive without us?

What will it do once we're gone?

The earth has been around for millions of years, with different species coming and going throughout time. But certainly only the last 100 years or so has anything important happened, because that's all we've been able to record. And only the last 4 or 5 years at that, because we've finally gotten good at recording.
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Dave C,
Good post.
We hear a lot of people who move to our island, and almost immediately complain about all the people moving to our island....
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We are all agreed on change, BUT

Is it part of the natural cycle of the planet, or
is it man made?

Yes there is more greenhouse gas in the atmosphere at the moment but what caused it.
The vast area of tundra permafrost across siberia is now melting during summers and its releasing methane. Man hasnt made that gas, its natural, but man is blamed for greeenhouse gas.

Ironically, while im reading this, its on the news that therre has been a downturn on public support for climate change. People are jerks, we have had our coldest winter for 30 years so people loook out the window, see snow and change thier minds.

Global warming doesnt necessarily mean its us who will get warmer.
You need to research "greenhouse gas".
More now? Not.
The big one is water vapor, by a large percentage.
CO2 is miniscule and is of no account.
Mars does not have water vapor as a greenhouse gas. Check it out.

I knew this was going to turn into another GW thread. It is not one from the beginning though.

Thanks Don.
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Yes we are having human generated global warming. The root cause is over population.
I have heard this one a few times - whilst I am not a follower of the current sky falling in fad, I do tend to be interested in anyone trying to pick my pocket in support of their hobby

I would have thought that if the doomsayers are as genuinely convinced as they claim they would be proposing the obvious solution....of a cull, rather than simply ever more complex taxes (from Joe public) and subsidies (to freinds & family).

One can of course argue about the morality (if one is bothered about those things) and who gets on da list (I suggest those nations with no nukes and less guns etc ) - but if the Planet and all human civilisation is genuinely at risk would be the obvious solution to depopulate.

Besides, it's for the Polar Bears
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