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Old 11-09-2014, 11:46   #31
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Re: NOAA report: 10,000 Containers List Annually

Here on the Pacific coast stuff washes up all the time.. (Before the Japan Tsunami). For a while it was thousands of Running shoes. Obviously they came from containers. What is weird is human feet continue to be found on beaches.....
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Old 11-09-2014, 11:56   #32
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Re: NOAA report: 10,000 Containers List Annually

anyone know if the original transport vessel / company is libel for these containers?

if they lose one and i strike it while cruising resulting in damage / loss are those losses recoverable from the aforementioned shipping company / content owner?

i have to think that, assuming i dont die, the evidence of the container's presence and identification is verifiable by whomever comes to scoop me out of the water and therefore corroborated evidence in a claim / law suit.


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Old 11-09-2014, 12:06   #33
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Re: NOAA report: 10,000 Containers List Annually

Stuff washes ashore on beaches all the time. But have you ever seen a container wash up? Or heard of one wash up? Unless its righ close to the accident, its so unlikely that I havent heard or seen any on any of the beaches Ive lived.

Nor seen any at sea.
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Old 11-09-2014, 12:21   #34
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Re: NOAA report: 10,000 Containers List Annually

I just read this report recently, How Many Shipping Containers Are Really Lost At Sea? - gCaptain Maritime & Offshore News

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Containers Lost 2008 to 2013
For the combined six year period from 2008 to 2013, the WSC estimates that there were 546 containers lost on average each year, not counting for catastrophic events. Counting for catastrophic events, an average of 1,679 containers were lost each year over the six years.
The difference between 546 and 1,679 was because of two large container ships that were lost about 5,200 containers in total. One ship was in the Indian Ocean and the other down in New Zealand.

Given that some where around 120 MILLION containers are moved around in 2013, 546 or 1,679 being lost is a very small percentage.

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Old 11-09-2014, 12:59   #35
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Re: NOAA report: 10,000 Containers List Annually

The empty weight of a small 20' container is just under 5,000 lbs, take a lot of tennis shoes to float that. I've packed several and none I've seen were even close to air tight, they are essentially identical to over the road tractor trailers as far as the door is concerned, so they would fill with water pretty fast
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Old 11-09-2014, 13:03   #36
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Re: NOAA report: 10,000 Containers List Annually

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Stuff washes ashore on beaches all the time. But have you ever seen a container wash up? Or heard of one wash up? Unless its righ close to the accident, its so unlikely that I havent heard or seen any on any of the beaches Ive lived.

Nor seen any at sea.
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Old 11-09-2014, 13:18   #37
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Re: NOAA report: 10,000 Containers List Annually

Electronic goods packed in styrofoam is an example of a container that will float for a long time. Floaters are rare, but of course they exist. What more is there to say on the matter?
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25 plus years ago we were sailing back from Hawaii and my Son was doing the steering as both autopilots had gone south. I was in the bunk but I had a small compass mounted beside my bunk and I noticed we were off course so I came up to check it out and my Son had changed course to look at a bird that was standing on something. I grabbed the wheel and turned away from it and we passed by the corner of a container completely submerged except for the corner the bird was perched on. Only time I had ever seen one but its always on my mind when doing a crossing.
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Old 11-09-2014, 14:36   #39
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Re: NOAA report: 10,000 Containers List Annually

I know of 2 sinkings where containers were thought to be the cause. 1 power, 1 sail.
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Re: NOAA report: 10,000 Containers List Annually

How about Cheeky Rafiki? Guess no info will ever show up.
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Re: NOAA report: 10,000 Containers List Annually

I've seen one. Seen heaps of logs and other stuff, but one container in over 40,000 NM....
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Re: NOAA report: 10,000 Containers List Annually

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If 85% were empty then they sank most likely. The story says as much.

This is the single biggest loss ever. How one can extrapolate from 500 to 10,000 is not obvious.
Because it wasn't stated that it was the single biggest loss ever. Never heard that before.
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Re: NOAA report: 10,000 Containers List Annually

One would think that the actuarial department of the commercial shipping insurers would have an excellent estimate of the number and type of lost containers. Are there no actuaries that are also sailors? Erk, if that were actually to be the case, it would be quite a scary statistic!
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Re: NOAA report: 10,000 Containers List Annually

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With all the miles sailed by CF members worldwide, has anyone on this site ever seen or hit a container? I have not.
Here, posted a couple years ago. Have you ever hit a shipping container ?
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Because it wasn't stated that it was the single biggest loss ever. Never heard that before.
Then you must not have read the story. "It's the biggest recorded loss of containers overboard in a single incident."
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