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Old 23-06-2013, 10:34   #16
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If this boarding issue becomes a significant problem and a determined movement using legal action brings it to federal courts our government does have a means to change the game plan. With the present emphasis on anti terror I doubt that we will see this happen any time soon and I suspect if our war with Islam intensifies our individual rights will see further intrusion.
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Old 23-06-2013, 10:55   #17
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If you don't like the rules... Then move out of the USA or sell your boat!

Of course if you chose to move out, other countries will also search your boat and may not be as polite about it as the USCG.
your right. on both accounts.
but other country's do not have the constitution.
i prefer a country that follows its own rules. like Sweden.

i do not believe coast guard should have a right to search American vessels. forgn are on their own.
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Old 23-06-2013, 11:56   #18
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The 4th Amendment doesn't apply to boats and ships and never has; several SCOTUS rulings going back 200 years on this. Nothing new here, early decisions were based on customs and excise but be assured that they can't search your car or house without a warrant but can your boat...
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Old 23-06-2013, 12:03   #19
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The 4th Amendment doesn't apply to boats and ships and never has; several SCOTUS rulings going back 200 years on this. Nothing new here, early decisions were based on customs and excise but be assured that they can't search your car or house without a warrant but can your boat...
exactly.
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Old 23-06-2013, 17:46   #20
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I hate to be a dramatist but there is no constitution anymore. Its our fault, we keep electing these people and they keep erecting barriers that keep us out of the loop. Secret "courts", kidnapping citizens, defacto collection of all our communications (how do you KNOW that guy you are monitoring isn't a us citizen if you don't listen in on the conversation?)
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Old 23-06-2013, 17:57   #21
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we still have a constitution and an infrastructure, but it is being taken apart daily by the powers that be in the name of fighting terrorism
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Old 23-06-2013, 18:08   #22
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".................... forgn are on their own................."

I think this sums it up!
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My only experiences with the USCG is to see them zoom by in a hurry going somewhere else. (Well, other than to see them pace the docks looking for the source of a fuel leak in our marina or practicing dropping and retrieving a diver in San Pablo Bay from a helicopter.)

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Ahhh, I can remember when ya could say no to any other officer of the law but the Coasties !! Now adays any A--HO-- with a badge can and will board and search your boat ! Is it not super when our Gov. changes the rules and don't give us a chance to even vote on it ?? I fondly remember as a very young man, my ole daddy throwing a county montie overboard as he tried to board before we tyed up !! But the rules were changed with only a newspaper artical to let us know!! O well the old days were yesterday !!
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So, from what I'm gleaning here, boaters have virtually no protection guaranteed by the Bill of Rights. Any LEO can board you at their whim and have free rein to do whatever they want.
Most interesting. Not what one would expect from the Land of the Free.
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Yeah, I really don't mean to be a cynical old curmudgeon but the day we started to grope and humiliate little girls, wives and grandmothers at airports and almost no one has the guts to object - well, let's just say that the last line of the US national anthem is mostly an empty phrase now. A quaint historical relic.
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Most interesting. Not what one would expect from the Land of the Free.
LOL.... whoever came up with that propaganda... and when...??
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Old 23-06-2013, 19:23   #28
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So, from what I'm gleaning here, boaters have virtually no protection guaranteed by the Bill of Rights. Any LEO can board you at their whim and have free rein to do whatever they want.
Most interesting. Not what one would expect from the Land of the Free.
lol free. if you want to eat, your not free.
as soon as you earn money for food the government wants its share.

EDIT: if you want free food, housing, clothing, medical, its free for the stealing.
EDIT2: free phones too.
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I would like to participate in the discussion but, with the NSA & IRS reading, I shall remain silent.
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Old 23-06-2013, 19:36   #30
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I would like to participate in the discussion but, with the NSA & IRS reading, I shall remain silent.
they are accessing your thoughts too :P
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