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Old 12-11-2012, 19:10   #196
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Aged care.. there aint no aged care in SEA.
WTF are you babbling about?
Have you been drinking?
No one mentioned aged care in SEA but rest assured it is available .

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So back to my initial point. This is a wonderful country.
As long as you are cashed up. as has been mentioned before.
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So, you found a story that said there is no proof of it actually happening to prove your point that it actually happens?

And here I thought we were attempting to exchange ideas and you just wanted to run around in circles. Most be too much dog food in your diet.
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Australia IS the highest taxed country on earth
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Yes I agree
That comment was false.
Sorry for making a wrong statement but it looked that way to me
I have bought (imported) Car Parts, TV Set, Home Theatre System, Laminating Machine, Transfer Press, Glazing Machine and other gear. I imported the gear because the price of the imported item, freight included, cost 1/4 to 1/3 the price from the UK and the States that I was quoted in Australia. When I asked why the item was so much more expensive here than overseas, the reply was always...We have to pay GST, Import Duties, Delivery Costs and other taxes on all our items.
So when I paid, say $500au, freight included, for an item from the UK, the States or China, the price in Australia was at least $1500 to $2,000 (plus in some cases)
So I figured Australia had to be the highest taxed country on earth...Either that or we have the greediest retailers.
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WTF are you babbling about?
Have you been drinking?
No one mentioned aged care in SEA but rest assured it is available .


As long as you are cashed up. as has been mentioned before.
YOU mentioned Aged care facilities closing, Which is another furfy - as more open in thier place. . Age care grew by 24000 beds since 1999. I made the point that there is NO aged care in SEA. Its not that hard really. Just read your own posts before you send them.
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you may yet be right. It's wholly possible that AU may be the highest taxed country in the world (but right now my money would be on Sweden) I've only seen people paying attention to ALL the taxation in their lives in recent years. In the past, people only seemed to be aware of income taxes.

When you say "tax" to most people, they only think about the deduction that comes out of their paycheck, and the refund check they are so excited about every April. The bigger the refund the better! They don't even realize where that check came from.

I'm going to try to find some online analyses of total taxation in various countries - something that shows TOTAL dollars spent on taxation for a given budget.
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YOU mentioned Aged care facilities closing, Which is another furfy - as more open in thier place. . Age care grew by 24000 beds since 1999.
PUBLIC aged care closing
PRIVATE aged care opening

You need to wealthy to use the latter.

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I made the point that there is NO aged care in SEA.
So a strawman.

And Yes there is, at a cost.
A cost that is considerably less than that of private aged care here.

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Its not that hard really. Just read your own posts before you send them.
Perhaps you should take your own advice
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PUBLIC aged care closing
PRIVATE aged care opening

You need to wealthy to use the latter.


So a strawman.

And Yes there is, at a cost.
A cost that is considerably less than that of private aged care here.


Perhaps you should take your own advice
you keep making stuff up. Seriously. Use google.
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So I figured Australia had to be the highest taxed country on earth...Either that or we have the greediest retailers.
Yes, I agree in this case.
Recent purchase for some Hynautics parts.
They cost $95 delivered to my door from the supplier in the USA
or $600 from BLA ( a marine wholesaler nearby) and I would have had to wait for them to arrive from the USA.
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you keep making stuff up. Seriously. Use google.
Seriously, try it yourself.
Are you really trying to tell people that private aged care is the same price as public health care?
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I really don't see what the issue is. If people don't like Australia they should leave. If you think there's a better place to live, don't bleat about it, go live there.

I like it here, I'm staying.
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Note that both of these methods leave out employer-paid employment taxes. I would add it to both the income and taxation side of this equation to get a more accurate measure.
Further, I might add in employer payments for unemployment, health, and workers compensation insurances where they are mandatory, as these also represent a tax on the worker.

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How much tax do Canadians really pay? Be afraid. Be very afraid :: La Jornada Hispanic Newspaper :: ENGLISH CONTENT
Summed up, the average Canadian family faced a tax bill of $30,792 in 2011 against income of $74,233. That means 41.5 per cent of the family’s budget went to paying for government. For perspective, 33.6 per cent of the budget went to paying for food, clothing, and shelter combined. Indeed, families now pay more in taxes that they do for basic necessities.


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How much tax do we really pay?
This estimates the average US tax bill at 54.4% I'm uncertain of his computation methods. This does NOT include employer paid taxes.
He includes inflation as a "tax", and seems to have calculated sales tax as a percentage of income instead of a percentage of purchases. He does however make a decent list of the many various taxes that are levied on US citizens, even if his computation is suspect.
Why is this so hard to find? I would think SOMEONE has calculated and published this.
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Seriously, try it yourself.
Are you really trying to tell people that private aged care is the same price as public health care?

I am sorry, your argument no longer holds any water as far as I am concerned. There is no point discussinng anything with someone who makes stuff up.

In post number 152, even after it was proven to be wrong, you still believe in people eating dog food. Mmm.. what next Home Brand pet food? Perhaps Cardboard? Yum

In post number 192, you say that aged care is getting smaller when in fact its getting bigger.

Its pointless to continue a conversation with someone who creates their own facts.
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I really don't see what the issue is. If people don't like Australia they should leave. If you think there's a better place to live, don't bleat about it, go live there.

I like it here, I'm staying.
Why can't they just move to the Outback? Live of the land and all that stuff.
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Re: I've Had Enough!

I find it rather ironic that the original poster was, effectively, complaining about taxes being too high in the same breath as complaining about pensions being too low.

For an interesting persepcitve on global income, see the linked article:
BBC News - What is the world's average wage?

Like I said before - relocating to another country is your perogative, and for many people it is an attractive and effective course of action. I was lucky enough to spend some time in Portugal last year and was amazed at the amount of ex-pat British pensioners who had relocated to take advantage of (a) the relatively benign climate, (b) the relatively low cost of living and (c) the current relative strength of the pound versus the Euro.
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Why is this so hard to find? I would think SOMEONE has calculated and published this.
Even if you calculate some hypothetical average figure what relevance is it unless you can compare it to the value of benefits received. Try putting a value to police and fire services, highway systems, clean water systems, public education, etc. etc. If you can't calculate the benefits you can't make a valid comparison. It's an exercise in futility. IMHO
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