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Old 20-07-2016, 18:28   #121
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Re: If you're going to cruise with firearms, follow the rules (example)

So if a sailor is from a country where gun ownership is heavily restricted and carry is almost impossible, he can't own / possess a weapon on board in any part of the world?

If the ATF is asking for country of citizenship, it will base itself of what is legal to carry in that country. Probably just like other things... If in Belgium you don't require item A, a Belgium flagged vessel can't be fined for not carrying item A onboard in another country (in the EU at least).

Am I understanding this right?

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Re: If you're going to cruise with firearms, follow the rules (example)

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Well, we all know that stupid is as stupid does.

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Re: If you're going to cruise with firearms, follow the rules (example)

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Ref data/source material, its hard to get good data in the US. NRA via congress has made data research by ATF and CDC illegal.

Thought I read the Executive Branch has more recently disregarded that?

Justice Dept. publishes stats, at least on activities that have been reported.

Harder to get a handle on the use of firearms that did not result in a reported crime. (Kleck and others have posited there are a bazillion times when a firearm was simply shown... and that detered a crime, no shots fired. Some of those have apparently been reported, some (their position argues the majority) are not ever reported. Maybe useful, but maybe more speculation (or statistical calculation) than some can accept.

FWIW, every month for the last 50 years or so, I've seen a compilation of about 6-10 newspaper clippings (per month) of incidents where a homeowner or shopkeeper used a firearm to foil a crime. Not sure those are catalogued... although something like that may have been the genesis of Kleck's research.


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